Message from @Cesare Anasazi

Discord ID: 607637035012063242


2019-08-04 18:06:43 UTC  

Legally, morally, yes, but not otherwise

2019-08-04 18:07:14 UTC  

explain the "otherwise" in here

2019-08-04 18:07:39 UTC  

It has been well studied that drinkers produce drinking offspring

2019-08-04 18:08:10 UTC  

That's irrelevant to the current conversation

2019-08-04 18:08:19 UTC  

Our actions are very strongly affected by the actions of the people around us

2019-08-04 18:08:20 UTC  

lots of things are hereditary

2019-08-04 18:09:01 UTC  

I didnt deny hereditary natre of genes, I denied that I owe anything to someone or should be proud of him simply cause we have similar genes

2019-08-04 18:09:16 UTC  

Ok that sounds different

2019-08-04 18:09:30 UTC  

@Cesare Anasazi then you missed my entire point and all the statements I made on the topic.

2019-08-04 18:09:41 UTC  

misread them I mean

2019-08-04 18:09:58 UTC  

Are you proud of your family?

2019-08-04 18:10:08 UTC  

I did not say anything about moral connections here.

2019-08-04 18:10:25 UTC  

There is nothing to be proud about my family

2019-08-04 18:10:55 UTC  

lol

2019-08-04 18:11:12 UTC  

Thankfully I am not connected to their actions anyway

2019-08-04 18:11:30 UTC  

??

2019-08-04 18:11:32 UTC  

Objectivist is a descendant of Stalin I bet

2019-08-04 18:11:59 UTC  

Someone does something for me -> I adjust my behavior and do something for them -> they do something for me in return
Thus pride for someone else's actions

2019-08-04 18:12:08 UTC  

Or achievements w/e

2019-08-04 18:12:28 UTC  

I don get how I can be proud of their actions here

2019-08-04 18:12:38 UTC  

Only pride that is possible is if I myself did something well

2019-08-04 18:12:39 UTC  

If you contributed to their success

2019-08-04 18:12:45 UTC  

Then you can be proud of their achievements

2019-08-04 18:13:05 UTC  

If I taught them and helped them along the way yes I hold part of that achivement

2019-08-04 18:13:12 UTC  

but it's a pride in what I did to help

2019-08-04 18:13:24 UTC  

Ah ok so

2019-08-04 18:13:33 UTC  

And no, I have no ancestors that are alike Stalin in any way

2019-08-04 18:13:33 UTC  

You would tell a person you helped "I'm so proud of myself for your success"

2019-08-04 18:13:44 UTC  

Sounds narcissistic af

2019-08-04 18:14:03 UTC  

I would not tell them anything, I would evaluate my own actions and ask myself if I can do better

2019-08-04 18:14:04 UTC  

Individualism is egotism

2019-08-04 18:14:11 UTC  

lol

2019-08-04 18:14:15 UTC  

So you would just say nothing

2019-08-04 18:14:31 UTC  

But you'd think it

2019-08-04 18:14:33 UTC  

Probably not, unless they deserve a praise

2019-08-04 18:14:46 UTC  

"I'm so proud, I helped this guy have success, that's so awesome on my part"

2019-08-04 18:15:01 UTC  

If I did good job I should be proud

2019-08-04 18:16:28 UTC  

And if a person who followed my advice did a good job I would respect them for it

2019-08-04 18:16:35 UTC  

But you wouldn't say it because you realize it sounds egocentric af

2019-08-04 18:16:49 UTC  

No, I would not say it cause I usually dont care

2019-08-04 18:17:00 UTC  

You don't care to do what?