and take ur shit

including ur wife

this is what hapened in the past fam

so if I take 10$ from you and give you back 1$ later, that's benifiting the racketed?

yes, relativley to getting NOTHING back

as the alternative

and it IS the alternative

but what other scenario are you speaking of where I'd not get anything in return instead of at least a fraction?

someone comes over

and takes ur shit

because there is no gov to stop em

like u know

mongol invasion

That can be an individual or another state.

You need a state to ensure that the system survives

IE, you need a military.

To ensure that you can be a libertarian and continue to be one.

if you don;t create a state-like structure, your neighbors will, because that structure will allow them to steal all your shit

despite big government here, things get stolen all the time. tho maybe that has also something to do with people barely being allowed to defend themselves or their property

even though they have to pay taxes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxmXeLEcs9s

stealing ur shit is still worth it

this explains the main issue with govt run healthcare

we're not really talking about healthcare

It was an example

we're talking about the taxation is theft meme

it is tho

Agreed.

you even agreed it's a racket

ye

That's not being debated.

and I'm still in favor of it

We're debating if it benefits us.

Doom and I think it does.

despite government things still get stolen so it appears to me like a poor argument

Significantly less is stolen.

a failure of the system does not mean it's a bad system

it means it doesn;t work out 100% of the time

lmao

imagine there being exceptions

`a failure of the system does not mean it's a bad system` that's the fallacy socialists use