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He tried gatekeeping again with the Epstein stuff
no, fascists are far right goyim, a totalitarian statist ideology has nothing to do with the left
to be honest, fascists are the pinnacle of conservatism
Not the american understanding of conservatism, but rather classical one
A wish to preserve things as they are
No they're not, any totalitarian state is the antithesis of conservativism
Economically speaking fascism has alot in common with Syndicalism.
Nah, you don't get me fam
Also fascism is not necessarily totalitarian
Don't be mixing terms
Conserve, small government
@Anavultus And syndicalism is not preserving the status quo?
Conservatism in a classical sense can go about in many ways about trying to keep things as they always were
I'd agree that fascism could be seen as an extreme form of conservativism, but it's like comparing social democracy to communism
In a sense, american democrats are being functionally conservative when they try to reel back time to the era before Trump
You're not differentiating between the ideology of conservativism and the idea of acting conservatively Uksio
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@Skogarbjorn That would be specifically mussolini brand of fascism in that graph
Man that took forever on a double post.
Fascism in ancient rome was much more benign and not as perverse
Not that it is a good system, but it ain't inherently evil or totalitarian by itself
It's just whatever the fuck mussolini was trying to do
Facism in acient Rome? Pretty sure facism was a Mussolini construct
@Skogarbjorn I mentioned a few lines before that I do NOT mean the US "conservativism"
I've never seen anyone advocate for complete social control but little or no economic control. All examples of real life fascism I can think of have involved extensive government control of both the economic and social axis, albeit more focused on the social.
Fair
He came up with it, did Marxism exist as a ruling ideology before Marx too?
That is something entirely foreign to the classical idea of "preserve the things as they are"
Wasn't communism an idea before Marx?
In the classical sense anything can be conservative in that case
Which means arguing that anything is or is not conservative is pointless
@randomNPCno3 I can't help you if you wish to remain ignorant of ancient history
I'm trying to point out how useless it is to compare how ideologies implemented themselves before and after the industrial age. They're effectively different worlds
