and because of the tarrifs, the dems will be like 'see, china is lowering their emissions, and the US is rising!'

cuz the factories there will shut down and factories in the US will open, but the US will have enviromental protection stuff so its less emissions than if it stayed in china

then theyll say how jobs are a bad thing

jobs kill the enviroment and its racist

some shit

The "official" stats on emissions from china show that it increased by 2.5 times between 2000 and 2013.

It's since levelled off, which I'm sceptical of due to china's propensity to lie.

Just in case you're interested, where I got that info from:
https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/

china is world leader in green tech investment

i'm not really sure what you could demand that they do other than just cripple their economy

I'm not saying they're doing nothing.
I'm also not saying that china continuing produce more greenhouse gasses is unreasonable.

I am saying a rapidly industrialising nation doesn't just stop producing more green house gasses out of nowhere.
That combined with China's track record of poor relations with the truth make it so I don't trust those figures as far as I could throw all of mainland china.

we can talk about china and their good stance with thw envrionment when south korea stops getting smog from chinese factories denser than custard

also if you want to be more suspicious, why d othe climate talks by the dems not ever mention china

and theyre also the ones advocating the utmost hardest on environmental policies

no 'talk with china'

just banning plastic straws

what are they gonna do

if climate change will be more devastating than any war humanity has ever had, youd imagine theyd mention negotiations with other huge offenders

imagine running for Pres in the 90s and never mentioning Afghanistan

there's nothing they can demand

that china isn't already doing

they dont even so much as mention china

for negotiation, or summits, or scientific collaboration

save for perhaps some sort of international agreement which is impossible for the usa to hold themselves to as the country is not agreement capable

the fact they dont MENTION it, is suspicious as all hell

the only thing they could realistically do is unilaterally demand that china cripple its own economy while offering nothing in return

usa doesn't have the central coherence to hold itself to long term international agreements covering major policy issues beyond perhaps a select few issues (climate change i think is not one of them)

Climate change has always been swept under the rug by governments it seems. I've been on the spectrum that believes its a thing, but it seems most are too blinded by greed to do something about it.

Damn you're gullible enough to think China, the world producer of lithium batteries amd solar panels, is a greener country than the US? You know how much plastics they dump in the Ocean? All those empty cities they built? China isn't remotely green and never will be and pretending they are plays into the hands of those who want to cripple the US economy over faux climate concerns to lower its global and economic power. Why was China and India, world's top polluting countries, completely absolved of involvement in the Paris agreements? (Not that was anything other than a paper telling America to fuck off)

Climate change is a fake issue to control people through diet, lifestyle, and leisure time. Eat bugs, don't have kids, stop driving cars. Its the most blatant shit and has been tried since the 70s

There is nothing humans have ever done that the planet's ecosystem doesn't attempt to compensate for over time. It was hotter and higher CO2 in the medical times, and CO2 isn't even a real greenhouse gas compared to N2 and water vapor in its actual effect

We're headed for grand solar minimum and it will get fucking cold the next half century. The ionosphere is the weakest it has ever been, and that may be due to all of our satilettes and communications networks, but I can't say for sure. But a weaker ionosphere means greater cosmic radiation hitting the earth which will effect seismic and volcanic activity

Don't believe the hoax trying to control your life.

Recycle and be environmentally mindful sure. Keep things green and healthy for a lot more than just the climate's sake. But there is absolutely existential crisis.

There's a lot of psychological and physical well-being in being surrounded by nature

My last two brain cells died reading the above<:why:462286147473637407>

While it's true that the medieval warm period doesn't compare, it must be pointed out that solar activity has been higher during the past 100 years than during the medieval warm period (in fact, it hasn't been this high at least since the end of Younger Dryas ~11k years ago).

Not only that, volcanic activity is also at record low, if we look at long term trends (that is, 1000s rather than mere 100s of years)

@Αγωνιζῆς Yeah, it was pretty retarded.

It's funny how conservatives are "facts don't care about your feelings" and simultaneously God exists but science does not.... that or "science proves God".

On top of that, they cry about how pro-lifers are celebrating their abortions. As if that attitude of intentionally being monsters just to piss off the other side was not present on conservative side as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf25OwYuE3o