So you think a free market is where the government uses force to dictate how everyone trades? Because THAT is the opposite of a free market

Well, an institution **is** required

Some form of one

wouldn't a true free market by this definition require that everyone be an independent producer

cause without a government you don't have laws and without laws nothing can guarantee the continuous existence of institutions.

No, that's what you seem to be illustrating here, when it is quite the opposite, given a market is only *absolutely* free when there is unrestricted competition among businesses, which inherently requires a lack of entry-barriers.

Without a government you have no one who can prevent theft and if you have theft you can't have a free market.

Freedom within a market lives on a scale.

Are you an anarchist @Jeremy ?

Without a government there are no laws.

Without laws there is no guarantee the guy next door won't just steal stuff.

I wouldn't consider myself an anarchist, but I'd consider myself a Minarchist.

If he steals stuff, you have no market at all.

yeah this guy understands

Anarchists believe in the utopia of stateless societies.

Correct, Yord.

Then, why do you think markets alone can redistribute?

there is only one thing that richard spencer has ever said that i agree with and it is that the state is an existential entity

I believe you've a Leninist view of what a market is; whereas, I view it as a byproduct of spontaneous order.

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too

Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...

ok john lennon

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There is a reason why his view also failed.

probably because he was a nihilist

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

And Stalin had no choice but to revert back to Capitalist mechanics after NEP.

😂

What was it, production declined to sub 14% after NEP?

huh

the chinese collectivist farming had to revert back to pseudo private property because they were all starving

Correct; they had massive shortages.

ussr grew a lot after abandonment of nep

Right.

nah, i'm just fucking around.
kinda wish Mark David Chapman had gotten Yoko as well .... how do you fuck that up?

He missed

They turned into the inevitable, a Fascist State, combining the policy of both Socialism and Capitalism.

That's always the death of Communist idealism.

Every time.

Oh I thought you were talking about Beatles withouth John