It can't not grow

It's in its nature to grow beyond reasonable measures

And you can't not have welfare because otherwise you have people dying and turning to crime

The reason why you need welfare is because there are bad people out there who will fuck up the streets if they don't receive welfare

It's pure and simple extortion

Thats an absurdly reductionist view

Lets be real about this, it's not altruism, it's straight up theft

Yeah reductionist my ass, I was in the welfare program long enough

I've seen the people, talked to them, I know these pieces of shit

Then UBI is a great solution

No it's not

At best it will all stay as bad as things are right now

It cannot, by design, be any better

It can

And I can tell you why

By moving the tax-free allowances, welfare, and pensions to UBI, you create a single system without any complications - not only is it the simplest and cheapest system to administer, it also removes any possibility that these three groups can use the other as a political hammer to beat each over over the head with - everyone's wellbeing is tied to that one benefit - reducing it harms everyone, increasing it help everyone

It eliminates welfare fraud by definition

It is welfare fraud by design

lol, how can it be welfare fraud by design?

By that argument, all tax-free allowances are tax fraud by design

Because it can't possibly be anything else, what do you think where money comes from?

All tax-banding is tax-fraud by design

Does it grow on trees?

Money come from taxation

No, wrong wrong wrong

Money is created by the workers and the entrepreneurs

Yes. UBI does not stop this

No one else creates money

UBI interferes with that process

It doesn't

Yes it does, because people can comfortably live off of it

No

And so they will

If people can comfortably live off UBI, then it's set too high

Dude

It's UNIVERSAL

And?

It MUST be too high

lol, are you wearing lycra?

If it's not too high, what do you think will happen?

so why aren't you living off welfare EtBrood?