Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-09-09 10:17:16 UTC  

The voters.

2019-09-09 10:17:28 UTC  

Then that's a power imbalance

2019-09-09 10:17:41 UTC  

How so? Everyone can vote equally?

2019-09-09 10:17:57 UTC  

Because the losers are not "morally wrong", they just lose

2019-09-09 10:18:20 UTC  

For example

2019-09-09 10:18:36 UTC  

It's the most simple example, but it also happens on a large scale unless tempered

2019-09-09 10:18:46 UTC  

Two wolves and a sheep vote on what's for dinner

2019-09-09 10:18:56 UTC  

Clearly the sheep is going to lose

2019-09-09 10:19:39 UTC  

This is the fundamental flaw of a democratic system, it doesn't change anything about a power imbalance, in fact it brings it out

2019-09-09 10:20:30 UTC  

I understand what you mean, you can use different methods of voting and election to achieve as much equality as possible

2019-09-09 10:20:59 UTC  

In my view, that would be better than the current system. Even if it’s not 100% perfect.

2019-09-09 10:21:28 UTC  

My goal is to minimise that inequality as much as possible.

2019-09-09 10:22:16 UTC  

Even if I don’t achieve 100% equality, it doesn’t matter. As long as we’re closer to it, that’s fine.

2019-09-09 10:22:34 UTC  

The way I see it, the solution to this problem lies in an anti-democratic approach

2019-09-09 10:22:57 UTC  

Democracy must be tempered, not absolute

2019-09-09 10:23:02 UTC  

Then the problem is, how do people get elected to govern themselves?

2019-09-09 10:23:04 UTC  

Raffle?

2019-09-09 10:23:28 UTC  

For example, the solution of the wolves and the sheep lies in letting the sheep have guns so if they lose the vote they can kill the wolves

2019-09-09 10:23:37 UTC  

Which means the wolves won't vote to eat the sheep

2019-09-09 10:24:17 UTC  

The problem is, how do you decide who governs who?

2019-09-09 10:24:43 UTC  

That's an eternal struggle, governance is inevitable (as demonstrated by history)

2019-09-09 10:24:57 UTC  

Injustice, inequality, imbalance, and suffering as a result, it's part of life

2019-09-09 10:25:32 UTC  

But surely we can try minimise those injustices, inequality, imbalance and suffering 😉

2019-09-09 10:25:39 UTC  

For me it's about mitigating the cost on a moral individualistic level, not on a collective level

2019-09-09 10:25:50 UTC  

Well

2019-09-09 10:26:00 UTC  

What's the difference between two people dying or one person dying?

2019-09-09 10:26:35 UTC  

The utilitarian answer is: it's twice the cost because two is twice than one
My answer: no difference

2019-09-09 10:27:13 UTC  

Some people misunderstand what I mean by this

2019-09-09 10:27:15 UTC  

So let me explain

2019-09-09 10:27:24 UTC  

Please do

2019-09-09 10:28:39 UTC  

We can either place value on life, or we don't. If we place value on life, we can do this either by numbers of lives, or by the simple distinction between life and death.

2019-09-09 10:29:06 UTC  

Ergo we can say death is terrible just because it's death, or we can say death is more or less terrible depending on how many people die.

2019-09-09 10:29:16 UTC  

Fuck, I want to continue this, but I need to head out..

2019-09-09 10:29:22 UTC  

I only make a distinction between life and death, not between numbers of dead people.

2019-09-09 10:29:55 UTC  

Every single death is bad. More dead people are not more bad, they're just equally bad. It doesn't add up, it stays level.

2019-09-09 10:30:02 UTC  

so killing 1 baby is equal to killing a hundred?🤔

2019-09-09 10:30:16 UTC  

That’s what I was just typing

2019-09-09 10:30:27 UTC  

Yes, in my opinion it's the same. If you kill one, you could just as well kill a hundred, so you should be tried the same either way.

2019-09-09 10:30:43 UTC  

bruh

2019-09-09 10:30:54 UTC  

thats... an intresting way of looking at things

2019-09-09 10:30:59 UTC  

If that one death was violent and painful, would it be any different from the 100 deaths which may have been peaceful in their sleep?