Message from @Weez

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2019-09-10 18:29:17 UTC  

Lmao

2019-09-10 18:29:52 UTC  

Well, that's debateable. Regimes can become pretty suicidal if they are desperate.

2019-09-10 18:29:56 UTC  

Yeah world powers want to rule the planet not blow it up

2019-09-10 18:29:59 UTC  

Give pictures 😩

2019-09-10 18:30:31 UTC  

Their most recent tests ended with nuclear fallout over their cities, with spikes in radiation in Sweden.

2019-09-10 18:30:35 UTC  

awww blow it up wat cooler

2019-09-10 18:31:05 UTC  

Well, it's a simple matter of self-interest, Flavius.

2019-09-10 18:31:51 UTC  

As much as the Communists espouse collectivist ideology, self-preservation exists irrespective of their conjecture.

2019-09-10 18:32:18 UTC  

Arguably, it is self-interest driving their leadership forward anyway.

2019-09-10 18:33:04 UTC  

The possibility of total war isn't there today. Thus they will not be used.

2019-09-10 18:33:45 UTC  

Of course not.

2019-09-10 18:34:21 UTC  

The only way I see it being used is via an asymmetrical threat/adversary.

2019-09-10 18:34:58 UTC  

That doesn't mean such Individual(s) can't be backed by a foreign power, however.

2019-09-10 18:35:02 UTC  

So, keep that in mind.

2019-09-10 18:35:25 UTC  

Ok, what would happen if Russia did the equivalent of pearl harbour? Would the US respond with conventional warfare? Smaller missiles? Because they could flatten Russia in that department too, leaving Putin with the option of nuclear war vs being deposed and probably killed.

2019-09-10 18:35:32 UTC  

"if Russia did the equivalent of pearl harbour"

2019-09-10 18:35:34 UTC  

They wouldn't.

2019-09-10 18:35:40 UTC  

So it's pointless to speculate.

2019-09-10 18:35:42 UTC  

That's the most likely use scenario to occur, which is rather unfortunate as the outcome won't be what they expect, given it'd still end up with their annihilation.

2019-09-10 18:35:48 UTC  

But..

2019-09-10 18:35:54 UTC  

It depends on what happened

2019-09-10 18:36:04 UTC  

If nuclear weapons were used, then the US would likely retaliate with the same

2019-09-10 18:36:20 UTC  

If it were a conventional attack, then the US would do the same

2019-09-10 18:36:22 UTC  

Japan did. Japan attacked an enemy it knew it could not ever hope to defeat. and it did so unprovoked.

2019-09-10 18:36:28 UTC  

it doesn't have to be rational

2019-09-10 18:36:28 UTC  

Call in NATO and begin an air-war

2019-09-10 18:36:33 UTC  

That is, my reference to using an asymmetrical means of payload delivery, whether through a state-sponsored organization of terror or some loose assets of a foreign power.

2019-09-10 18:36:39 UTC  

Japan attacking the US WAS rational.

2019-09-10 18:36:56 UTC  

in what possible way LOL

2019-09-10 18:37:05 UTC  

Right.

2019-09-10 18:37:05 UTC  

They thought they could win with Pearl Harbor

2019-09-10 18:37:21 UTC  

They lost because carriers where not there

2019-09-10 18:37:27 UTC  

If Russia attacked the US using a nuke the US has enough forces throughout the globe, along with NATO forces, and the immediate support of the UN to wipe Russia off the face of the Earth with in a matter of weeks.

2019-09-10 18:37:40 UTC  

Japan hoped to crush the us navy with an preemptive strike.

2019-09-10 18:37:45 UTC  

It was a gamble

2019-09-10 18:37:46 UTC  

There won't be unconventional responses to conventional attacks, strictly speaking in terms of nuclear warfare.

2019-09-10 18:37:56 UTC  

Russia's only hope is nukes in that scenario and it wouldn't entertain it.

2019-09-10 18:37:57 UTC  

And japan lost

2019-09-10 18:38:02 UTC  

That Japan was forced for constant territorial expansion south into the resource areas.. That the US and her puppet state (Philippines) were right next to Japans major supply lines threatening to cut it if they so wished. The same justification for the Suez crisis. @jacovich stabs

2019-09-10 18:38:12 UTC  

You may be right, Wizard.