https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Role_of_the_Pakistani_military

>we're also no one to split hairs over sponsorship of terrorists
this is a fascinating clash of information. if the taliban have been "pushed back" exactly how the fuck do theu have the clout to participate mutually in negotiation?

the ever reliable wikipedia, as usual

"The Taliban were largely founded by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence beginning in 1994; the I.S.I. used the Taliban to establish a regime in Afghanistan which would be favorable to Pakistan, as they were trying to gain strategic depth. Since the creation of the Taliban, the ISI and the Pakistani military have given financial, logistical and military support." - "On 1 August 1997, the Taliban launched an attack on Sheberghan, the main military base of Abdul Rashid Dostum. Dostum has said the reason the attack was successful was due to 1500 Pakistani commandos taking part and that the Pakistani air force also gave support"

Peace talks with the Taliban have failed

it likely was never going to succeed to begin with

It's just a general source of information, you can more or less find the same thing from other sources

they've halted, there's no indication they wont happen again

Wikipedia is a decent aggregate

Nationbuilding is inherently difficult, so it takes several decades

The only way to be succesful is to stay there for several decades. That may seem harsh, but that's what it takes

thankfully, it's not all that expensive just to stay there as a small occupying force

The war cost like 800 billion dollars, but it only costs like, 1 billion dollars or so to stay there

a year

this is phenomenal excusing of wasting billions of dollars and decades of time

none of this should have been our fucking problem

It becomes our problem if we don't take care of it

bull

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fucking

shit

Not to mention it's a humintarian problem

So other than the fact we have a moral obligation to help the world, there's also the fact it's not like they would be willing to leave well enough alone

I mean for example, look at the millions of refugees flooding Europe right now becuase Syria is falling apart

The millions of refugees from iraq go some where

This sort of problem doesn't just go away unfortunately

we have no such fucking obligation, we are our own fucking nation state, we have our own problems and responsibilities

With that much suffering everyone gets involved

We do have a moral obligation as they are fellow human beings

But beyond that, it will end up effecting us eventually

it's not as if the problems go away

>everyone
literally the US is the only nation currently retarded enough to be sticking our dick in the very appropraitely named "graveyard of empires"

The UK were in for a bit then smartened the fuck up

europe has taken a completely different path, and the continent is suffering for it

The Russians wouldn't even have the opportunity to effectively "help" even if they wnated to, what with all of europe and the US snapping our teeth at their border

CHina's so far minding its own business, as far as this context is concerned

Japan and Korea are in little position to act on it either

Something like over 30 countries were involved in the iraq war of course

it wasn't a uniquely american thing

emphasis on "were"

There was a pretty big global threat from the idea a gigantic war in the middle east would effect the rest of the world