You take out the middle eastern peoplesz, over there. It's not all one group I know, and it's complicated, but that's how regional problems become global problems

The Taliban were formed in Pakistan and more or less invaded Afghanistan

funny how bombing a complicated situation only.makes it worse

Pakistan did the same thing in India during the kargil war, where they made fake mujhadeen groups to attack their enemies under the guise of it being an organic movement

That assume's that bombing said situation is meant to make it better <:hyperthink:462282519883284480>

This is really a pakistani operation, for example osama bin laden was found .8 miles away from the military training headquarters

Bombing the right location usually works quite well

The best way to defeat an enemy is to destroy them of course

ask the luftwaffe

The best way to end a war is to win one

And afghanistan has improved

It's not as if all of Afghanistan has been bombed, it's just specific locaitons where terrorists are located

The taliban controls more territory than wjen we went in, explain how thays an improvement

They controlled 90% of the country before we invaded

Now they control a few slivers of territory in places that are on the edge of no-man's land with pakistan

....no? where the fuck did you get that number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Alliance

By 2001 the Northern Alliance controlled less than 10% of the country, cornered in the north-east and based in Badakhshan province. The US invaded Afghanistan, providing support to Northern Alliance troops on the ground in a two-month war against the Taliban, which they won in December 2001.

So, the Islamic emirate of afghanistan was a short-lived taliban controlled country, mostly backed by pakistan

Again, this was an attempted take over by pakistan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan

"At its peak, the Taliban established control over approximately 90% of the country, whereas remaining parts of the country in the northeast were held by the Northern Alliance, who maintained broad international recognition as a continuation of the Islamic State of Afghanistan"

Ah no winning wars is easy. Took a couple weeks in Afgan and Iraq. It's peacekeeping and nation building we're shit at.

This is generally accepted as the case by most sources, 90% is an estimate of course. The main idea is that the Taliban were a pakistani backed psy-op organization, masquerading as as a terrorist organization

of course the thin line between state-sponsored terrorist group and fake terrorist group is so thin it doesn't matter, so it's essentially all the same thing

But it was't an organic uprising in afghanistan, in fact many Taliban don't even speak the same language as native afghanistan speakers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Role_of_the_Pakistani_military

>we're also no one to split hairs over sponsorship of terrorists
this is a fascinating clash of information. if the taliban have been "pushed back" exactly how the fuck do theu have the clout to participate mutually in negotiation?

the ever reliable wikipedia, as usual

"The Taliban were largely founded by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence beginning in 1994; the I.S.I. used the Taliban to establish a regime in Afghanistan which would be favorable to Pakistan, as they were trying to gain strategic depth. Since the creation of the Taliban, the ISI and the Pakistani military have given financial, logistical and military support." - "On 1 August 1997, the Taliban launched an attack on Sheberghan, the main military base of Abdul Rashid Dostum. Dostum has said the reason the attack was successful was due to 1500 Pakistani commandos taking part and that the Pakistani air force also gave support"

Peace talks with the Taliban have failed

it likely was never going to succeed to begin with

It's just a general source of information, you can more or less find the same thing from other sources

they've halted, there's no indication they wont happen again

Wikipedia is a decent aggregate

Nationbuilding is inherently difficult, so it takes several decades

The only way to be succesful is to stay there for several decades. That may seem harsh, but that's what it takes

thankfully, it's not all that expensive just to stay there as a small occupying force

The war cost like 800 billion dollars, but it only costs like, 1 billion dollars or so to stay there

a year

this is phenomenal excusing of wasting billions of dollars and decades of time