If Greece loose their religious leaders, then the ottoman empire will begin.

Straight up! I don't want that.

@ETBrooD That's not a strawman, even in its most militant phase that was in the context of Muslim conquest.

I know Christian authoritarianism also did a few good things, but that doesn't it a good thing overall *today*

Yes it is a strawman

What's wrong with the Ottomans?

There's a better option than Christian authoritarianism

FFS Eccles

You're coming in with a low punch.

I don't punch, I poke

Aim higher and think about the house of lords.

Do I really have to?

@ETBrooD No, a strawman would be assuming from your claim that Christianity did not build the West, that the white race built the West and that the only basis we have for supremacy is whiteness and not Christian ethic.

We have temporal supremacy brought about by being the first nation to industrialise

Whiteness and Christianity are -broadly- irrelevent, causally

Yeah, so irrelevant that we aren't pooping in the streets.

We were

Public sanitation came after industrialisation

Your strawman was to say that I think Christian authoritarianism did nothing good ever

Why do you say Jesus isn't real?

He wasn't

Prove to me he was

Give an example of Christian authoritarianism in the west

Really? Then where did Christianity come from?

The fantasy of a few men

Twelve men who were all tortured to death for refusing to recant it?

All twelve?

Died for a lie?

I don't believe what's written in the Bible

Most of it was made up

FUcking Watergate didn't have that level of success.

And?

There were only five people invovled and one cracked under the pressure.

People back then didn't care about proof as much as we do today

Wow, this went into the weeds quickly

You don't think twelve people who were literally tortured to death for this belief would have confessed to it being false>

All invented

There's no proof these people even existed

There is no proof you exist

So did the Romans just lie about the insurrections?

It was a false flag, dude! The Romans were being run by space lizards!