Message from @Jake the Exile

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2019-09-01 08:58:07 UTC  

Because people don't hold up to torture that well for something they know is a ruse.

2019-09-01 08:58:09 UTC  

It's the martyr angle

2019-09-01 08:58:20 UTC  

They hold up fine when they know there's no out

2019-09-01 08:58:37 UTC  

You clearly don't understand the human condition if you think people don't die for false beliefs

2019-09-01 08:58:49 UTC  

Are you willing to die for atheism?

2019-09-01 08:58:56 UTC  

Look at the people prepared to die to prevent brexit, for instance

2019-09-01 08:58:59 UTC  

Depends on the circumstances

2019-09-01 08:59:55 UTC  

@Eccles No one is willing to die to prevent Brexit. They are trying to prevent Brexit out of self-interest, because they think they WILL die if Brexit happens.

2019-09-01 09:00:14 UTC  

Thats the opposite of martyrdom, that's cowardice.

2019-09-01 09:00:14 UTC  

Oops you just gave one reason for why people die for false beliefs

2019-09-01 09:00:25 UTC  

Hint: there's more

2019-09-01 09:02:13 UTC  

Okay smartass. What do you think a world populated entirely by atheists would look like?

2019-09-01 09:02:40 UTC  

No clue, except there would be new religions that we don't define as such right now

2019-09-01 09:02:57 UTC  

Too many people can't live without religion, many just invent one if they don't have one

2019-09-01 09:03:17 UTC  

Why is that? Obviously YOU can live without religion. You and your big brain!

2019-09-01 09:03:22 UTC  

Yeah I can

2019-09-01 09:03:37 UTC  

That doesn't mean the world can follow into my footsteps

2019-09-01 09:03:39 UTC  

Your brain is so big you point at a statue and say "That's not real!"

2019-09-01 09:03:42 UTC  

Dogma can exist without a god. A world populated by atheists can be summed up adequately in an episode of South Park.

2019-09-01 09:03:49 UTC  

Yeah

2019-09-01 09:04:01 UTC  

"That person never existed he's just a figment of someone's imagination, that's why they made a statue of him because they're stupid!"

2019-09-01 09:04:09 UTC  

The failure is not in what we do not know, but in the fact that we are human

2019-09-01 09:04:12 UTC  

Take feminism for example, that is a religion in everything but name

2019-09-01 09:05:03 UTC  

Oh, but Christianity is worse because I watched Hunchback of Notre Dame.

2019-09-01 09:05:10 UTC  

lol

2019-09-01 09:05:11 UTC  

Actually it wasn't even an episode, I think it was a trilogy of episodes, and a damn good trilogy too.

2019-09-01 09:05:30 UTC  

I'm not a good person because I'm Atheist

2019-09-01 09:05:40 UTC  

You have to realize it's not just "the least possible evil" it's "the greatest force for good."

2019-09-01 09:05:43 UTC  

I don't think Christians are better or worse people than Atheists

2019-09-01 09:06:02 UTC  

Oh, but we can't have Christians in charge!!

2019-09-01 09:06:06 UTC  

Why not?

2019-09-01 09:06:07 UTC  

I'm not a good person because I hold positions that the grand majority of living humans would call "not good"
I hold the ad-populum in being bad.

2019-09-01 09:06:23 UTC  

Because I don't believe what they believe, and since I care about my freedom of thought and speech, I will fight against Christian authoritarianism, because they would restrict my freedom

2019-09-01 09:06:38 UTC  

Christians INVENTED your freedom.

2019-09-01 09:06:42 UTC  

No they did not

2019-09-01 09:06:47 UTC  

Anyone with a dogma will want that dogma to be their basis of society.

2019-09-01 09:06:57 UTC  

Oh, so it's GOD who gave you your freedoms!

2019-09-01 09:07:01 UTC  

?

2019-09-01 09:07:05 UTC  

I'm an atheist, remember?

2019-09-01 09:07:20 UTC  

And an idiot. If your rights are not manmade, then what are they?

2019-09-01 09:07:26 UTC  

No one gives me freedom