Message from @Nevis

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2019-08-23 02:26:08 UTC  

Depends on the type of slavery really, voluntary servitude to pay off debt or crime wouldn't be the worst

2019-08-23 02:26:27 UTC  

I know some ancaps are larpy edgibois and like to play into the strawman meme for chuckles, and it can be difficult to know what people actually believe without context or tone

2019-08-23 02:26:37 UTC  

Even though
Like
Inherent self-ownership is a fundamental concept in ancap theory that I know of

2019-08-23 02:27:07 UTC  

TBH I disregard the idea of any silly poitical view being seriously held by anyone unless it's directly associated with someone using their actual identity. Otherwise it's probably a troll.

2019-08-23 02:27:15 UTC  

2019-08-23 02:27:29 UTC  

Voluntary servitude

2019-08-23 02:27:38 UTC  

There seem to be two general camps on this. One is that self-ownershop is non-transferable under any condition, and one that you can still *lease* out your services under contractual obligation, which could be argued to be equivalent to slavery in function, but would require that the contract is entered voluntarily at some point.

2019-08-23 02:27:41 UTC  

This is trade, not slavery

2019-08-23 02:27:53 UTC  

Historians would disagree

2019-08-23 02:28:08 UTC  

essentially, it's "slavery" after the same fashion as employment is "slavery"

2019-08-23 02:28:16 UTC  

Ancient Aztecs had this form of Slavery @Nevis

2019-08-23 02:28:24 UTC  

Perhaps define servitude as you mean it here

2019-08-23 02:28:30 UTC  

but the circumstance and conditions of it can be expanded to be pretty bad, depending on what's acceptable for terms of contract

2019-08-23 02:28:39 UTC  

To be certain we are referring to the same exact thing

2019-08-23 02:29:02 UTC  

Voluntarily becoming a slave for someone to fulfil a task for X amount of time to pay something off

2019-08-23 02:29:10 UTC  

@Gservator I'm speaking specifically of ancap philosophy on self-ownership, not broad historical opinions

2019-08-23 02:29:26 UTC  

@Miniature Menace I'm not talking to you

2019-08-23 02:29:56 UTC  

@Gservator "Historians would disagree"

This is not you talking to me then? Okay.

2019-08-23 02:31:13 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613769167199535104/614285483794497537/Screenshot_2019-08-22-22-30-432.png

2019-08-23 02:31:44 UTC  

Yeah, I am certain there is a point of promised service where it crosses the line of trade to what amounts to slavery
Way too tired to really consider the nuance of where that is right now, though

2019-08-23 02:32:22 UTC  

In the Aztec empire if you didn't pay off the debt you became a sacrifice

2019-08-23 02:32:47 UTC  

So, historians would disagree with voluntary servitude being excluded from slavery?

2019-08-23 02:32:53 UTC  

Yes

2019-08-23 02:34:23 UTC  

I was mostly remarking upon that the accusation that the libertarian-right is okay with slavery or some shit is apparently not such a baseless accusation as I thought
Even if inaccurate, there is reasonable basis to think that if those are the ones that they have seen

Granted, I consider myself neutral/indifferent to the liberal/conservative axis

2019-08-23 02:34:30 UTC  

Well, first, I get the impression that there would likely already be a factor of duress, for someone to take this deal. And second, that's just an employment contract with your body as collateral.
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2019-08-23 02:35:03 UTC  

Beans were the currency in the Aztec empire

2019-08-23 02:35:30 UTC  

So in mexico you are worth a number of beans

2019-08-23 02:35:47 UTC  

Human beangs

2019-08-23 02:35:54 UTC  

*Real* human beans

2019-08-23 02:35:55 UTC  

Boo

2019-08-23 02:36:56 UTC  

*human **beans***

2019-08-23 02:37:44 UTC  

I think the thing I liked about Aztecs is the fact that sacrifices weren't killed immediately, they spent a month in a chamber to partake in drugs and sex being treated as a celebrity and then got sacrificed

2019-08-23 02:38:08 UTC  

Which ones chiefly sacrificed war prisoners?

2019-08-23 02:38:26 UTC  

What you mean

2019-08-23 02:38:38 UTC  

Like, of the south/central american tribes

2019-08-23 02:38:51 UTC  

All of them depending on era

2019-08-23 02:38:53 UTC  

Mayas, Incans, Aztecs
Idk which one

2019-08-23 02:38:57 UTC  

Okay

2019-08-23 02:38:59 UTC  

Probably what he said