Message from @Miniature Menace

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2019-08-23 02:28:16 UTC  

Ancient Aztecs had this form of Slavery @Nevis

2019-08-23 02:28:24 UTC  

Perhaps define servitude as you mean it here

2019-08-23 02:28:30 UTC  

but the circumstance and conditions of it can be expanded to be pretty bad, depending on what's acceptable for terms of contract

2019-08-23 02:28:39 UTC  

To be certain we are referring to the same exact thing

2019-08-23 02:29:02 UTC  

Voluntarily becoming a slave for someone to fulfil a task for X amount of time to pay something off

2019-08-23 02:29:10 UTC  

@Gservator I'm speaking specifically of ancap philosophy on self-ownership, not broad historical opinions

2019-08-23 02:29:26 UTC  

@Miniature Menace I'm not talking to you

2019-08-23 02:29:56 UTC  

@Gservator "Historians would disagree"

This is not you talking to me then? Okay.

2019-08-23 02:31:13 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613769167199535104/614285483794497537/Screenshot_2019-08-22-22-30-432.png

2019-08-23 02:31:44 UTC  

Yeah, I am certain there is a point of promised service where it crosses the line of trade to what amounts to slavery
Way too tired to really consider the nuance of where that is right now, though

2019-08-23 02:32:22 UTC  

In the Aztec empire if you didn't pay off the debt you became a sacrifice

2019-08-23 02:32:47 UTC  

So, historians would disagree with voluntary servitude being excluded from slavery?

2019-08-23 02:32:53 UTC  

Yes

2019-08-23 02:34:23 UTC  

I was mostly remarking upon that the accusation that the libertarian-right is okay with slavery or some shit is apparently not such a baseless accusation as I thought
Even if inaccurate, there is reasonable basis to think that if those are the ones that they have seen

Granted, I consider myself neutral/indifferent to the liberal/conservative axis

2019-08-23 02:34:30 UTC  

Well, first, I get the impression that there would likely already be a factor of duress, for someone to take this deal. And second, that's just an employment contract with your body as collateral.
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2019-08-23 02:35:03 UTC  

Beans were the currency in the Aztec empire

2019-08-23 02:35:30 UTC  

So in mexico you are worth a number of beans

2019-08-23 02:35:47 UTC  

Human beangs

2019-08-23 02:35:54 UTC  

*Real* human beans

2019-08-23 02:35:55 UTC  

Boo

2019-08-23 02:36:56 UTC  

*human **beans***

2019-08-23 02:37:44 UTC  

I think the thing I liked about Aztecs is the fact that sacrifices weren't killed immediately, they spent a month in a chamber to partake in drugs and sex being treated as a celebrity and then got sacrificed

2019-08-23 02:38:08 UTC  

Which ones chiefly sacrificed war prisoners?

2019-08-23 02:38:26 UTC  

What you mean

2019-08-23 02:38:38 UTC  

Like, of the south/central american tribes

2019-08-23 02:38:51 UTC  

All of them depending on era

2019-08-23 02:38:53 UTC  

Mayas, Incans, Aztecs
Idk which one

2019-08-23 02:38:57 UTC  

Okay

2019-08-23 02:38:59 UTC  

Probably what he said

2019-08-23 02:39:18 UTC  

iirc the pyramids wheren't actually built by slaves...

2019-08-23 02:39:30 UTC  

basically just contracted farmers

2019-08-23 02:39:30 UTC  

Aztecs were the only ones to use slaves and lottery winning citizens as sacrifices

2019-08-23 02:39:35 UTC  

Because I remember hearing that this was a thing that happened also, and I was wondering if there were any particular tribes which did, or didn't do it.

2019-08-23 02:39:52 UTC  

The _winning_ ones were the sacrifices?

2019-08-23 02:39:54 UTC  

Overly complex. I work for a guy who, for whatever reason. wants a fuckton of money. I'm not overly interested in money I like playing vidya and reading books. I am pretty good at figuring out how to make things work better. The guy I work for figures making things work better will help him make fucktons of money. So long as we can come to an arrangement where he pays me enough for vidya, mortgage, bills, and books and otherwise does not screw with me doing things I like we can come to a compromise.

2019-08-23 02:40:05 UTC  

"Congratulations! You wont the lottery! ...the AZTEC lottery!"

2019-08-23 02:40:10 UTC  

They saw it as a great honor

2019-08-23 02:40:11 UTC  

I think a better analogy is drawing the short straw than winning the lottery

2019-08-23 02:40:44 UTC  

You got to be a celebrity and do peyote