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Anyone here who thinks that UBI or minimum wage actually solves anything? Just curious.

sure

it can solve certain things

UBI is the only thing that will save us from the evils of technocratic capitalistic hegemony

minimum wage is complicated because you can't just examine it as a blanket thing

Well, capitalism fails without consumerism..

it will have different effects depending on the specific rate it is set at

robots will take every job and all people will be homeless corporate slaves

Give people a slice of melon, while keeping the rest of the melon. That's UBI.

unless you are a devil and capitalize on a commodity needed to live.

UBI will work well in european states

Without UBI there will be a 60+% homeless rate which will largely be the jobless rate as well

It won't work in the USA

i don't like ubi

i'm not a big fan of minimum wage generally but i would be hesitant to get rid of it completely in america

Bring in UBI and scrap minimum wage

I mean it's definitely not like we've already gone through a hyper-mechanized overhaul of our economic system and ended up fine on the other side lol

>tfw you have reached a level of trolling so meta that it goes unnoticed

Or maybe I'm just bad at it

in general i don't like outdoor relief

But in all seriousness, UBI is addressing the problem incorrectly

I love relieving myself outdoors

And a minimum wage is a deadman's switch at this point

UBI in the UK isn't giving anything new/extra, it's just a simplification and the making more fair of the existing tax/welfare system

this is what i'm referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outdoor_relief

It's already been rigged up so that if we remove it, it'll plunge the bottom level of labor to a pitiful level, but if we continue to raise it, it's just going to equivalently inflate our currency until it has been nullified

We still need to supplement UBI with a meritocracy I feel, humans need competition, it's healthy and continues to see us develop.

"supplement"? UBI doesn't remove meritocracy

There ain't no better motivator then hunger or sexual desire.

Ok, so there are some supporters. I'd like to ask you a question with one example in mind. Let's take DVD amd Blu ray sales. Or heck, why not video games.

Did you ever stop to consider why a particular film or game region locked so it will only play on devices in countries like Bangladesh cost almost three to four times less than the same game or movie region locked to Europe or the U.S?

You can eliminate all homelessness, but then all you do is raise the baseline.

The problem with a UBI is that it either will provide too much base and discourage low-level workers from entering the workforce, or it won't provide enough and will create a new generation of gov-dependent poverty

For countries like the UK that have well-established multi-generations of people in gov-dependent poverty this isn't a problem

And wouldn't discourage low-level workers entering the workforce

(no more than now)

probably because bangladesh is a poorer country?

i'd assume

Guaranteeing a thousand dollars a month just seems dumb to me.

Assuming it's that high, which I doubt, then that's already what people get in welfare