Indignation doesn't help understanding nor does it derive functional and implementable solutions

The UK will become the EU's Hong Kong.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1169180578979155968

@Eccles let me reword it a bit then so I sound less "indignant".
China has a long history of thinking the rest of the world was beneath them. in the past that manifested as a disinterested isolationism.
The Chinese in general, and the CCP in specific, think that they can abuse us and the systems we've set up without repercussions. They think that they can cow us in to submission, and that we are too stupid to see what they are doing. If we don't start proving them wrong they will keep on pushing in till they just decide that the charade is not worth the effort and declare open hostilities to take whatever they want. We need to prove them wrong now, because the longer we wait, the more costly it will be.

Righteous indignation isn't a plan, KQ

You can vent at China all you like, you can even call them chinky yellow eyed spicks, but it isn't a plan of action

This discord is littered with hot air and righteous ingnation, but short on well thought out ideas/plans

What -could- be done? What woudl the effect be and why?

Trump has the power to destroy the Chinese economy with a Single Executive order.

really all that needs to be done is to start enforcing the rules for china, a good start would be kicking them out of hong kong

Threating to kick them out of the WTO if they don't start following WTO regulations would be a nice follow up.

Maybe kick Europe out of the WTO also.

following through when the invariably don't would be a nice third

@Gaylien if they're also bending WTO rules over a barrel I'm all for it.

These are not things you have the power to do as a country

Each country defiantly has the ***power*** to hold china to their agreements in their own interactions, what they lack is the ***will***.

And in the long term it's going to cost them.

lol

you're still just spouting righteous indignation

-how- does a country hold china to their agreements

By refusing to deal with them if they don't

and they can do that

but they don't want to

Capital controls and trade tariffs

Ie, the state stops acting to facilitate global labor arbitrage

Like realy, _you can't stop china from shitting on you you idiot, so stop trying to propose ways you can make china stop shitting on you, so indignant_

You have to then consider the externalities of that, and how to mitigate them

So lets take UK as the example

If you stop trading with China, what do you think the externalities will be?

in the short term prices will increase, in the long term trade will shift to another country.

as is happening with china and America right now

companies are already shifting manufacturing out of china due to the tariffs trump has imposed.

How do you think the rising prices will affect your economy?

well, if you're using tariffs, if you reinvest the money from the tariffs back into the local economy probably not much, it may even improve it.

if you're cutting ties with china, negatively, but due to the amount of competitors china has not apocalyptically so.

Consumption would necessarily go down

And don't forget, china is a lot less economically stable the the west, and not only that, the current administration is reliant on the booming Chinese economy to stay in power. China is a lot more dependant on trade with them then we are.

It cannot do anything but negatively affect the economy because money velocity decreases

IF you took the money gained from the tariffs, and distributed it amongst the citizenry, then while prices would go up, so would the spending capital, keeping the economy roughly stable. If that increase in free capital paired with imported goods being more expensive caused an increase of consumption of local goods then it may even cause an up tick.

And even taking for granted that it would negatively impact the economy, that doesn't mean it can't be done. It just makes it less politically attractive. And again we come back to: we don't lack the power to hold them accountable, we lack the will.

UK would need to have already left the EU for that to work