anyone at all?

but Obama's firmly an establishment Dem TBH

(at least currently)

Biden is too, to an extent

yes, he's certainly that

he'd be the fucking hegemon of Dem establishment if they didn't have the whole progressive stack thing going on

No, obama is still a socialist.

still have yet to explain how so much private business was strengthened under a socialist

and not, you know, seized

if obama a capitalist then he's did a pretty poor job at it as one of the most useless presidents out there

depends who you ask

defense contractors seem to think he did just fine

also banks

i mean he didn't really get anything done and he pretty much was just a fence sitter

not that you can compare him to him, trump has really turned up the heat with the crazies.

he expanded every middle eastern theater, mandated Americans buy private health insurance, bailed out banks, expanded zero-bid military contracts

oh, fuck, how could I forget

convinced cuba to legalize small private business

*totes a fucking socialist tho*

the word used in reporting was "micro business" but the point stands

while still being a socialist fence sitter who pretty much did nothing to really improve america

this entire conversation reeks of dogma

you clearly don't understand what the fuck you are talking about.

one of us doesn't

That would be you.

still waiting to hear what industry Obama nationalized

what means of production were seized

what piece of the economy became rigidly planned

i said he was a socialist not a fucking communist, thats like going full far left you fucking nong

one is more extreme but they all end up going full communism if you let socialism keep going.

how much did inflation go up under obama compared to presidents before or after?

How many examples of state power were exercised on political dissidents?

I remember in elementary school during the election our teachers asked us who would we vote for if we could and I said “Obama”, when asked why I said: “He said he would bring my dad back from Afghanistan.” Needless to say, that never fucking happened.

^

oof

Sorry for your loss

Oh no, my dad’s still alive

rip

ah, well, still

It’s just that he was brought back after his tour was up

well good, that's a relief