Message from @ManAnimal

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2019-09-05 19:10:19 UTC  

You can do that under a private model.

Just require that a power company create transfer centers linking to all of their competitors, and dictate that they have to sell power to rival companies at or below the same rate they sell to their own customers.

2019-09-05 19:10:47 UTC  

'dictate that they have to sell power...' this doesn't sound to private

2019-09-05 19:11:05 UTC  

Only if it's in stock, and at the same rate you charge individual customers.

2019-09-05 19:11:23 UTC  

If you charge residential homes a certain rate per KW/h, then you have to charge rival companies the same rate.

2019-09-05 19:11:40 UTC  

but that is a subsidy

2019-09-05 19:11:44 UTC  

no different than gov

2019-09-05 19:11:45 UTC  

They won't turn a profit buying from you and selling to their own customers, but it'll keep their grid from collapsing and causing a major blackout.

2019-09-05 19:12:16 UTC  

Not really. Just a mandate of service, which would in effect prevent blackouts and brownouts without government ownership or a monopoly, or any kind of national grid.

2019-09-05 19:12:33 UTC  

and under said system, any company can discretely lower capacity and earm more for their power

2019-09-05 19:12:59 UTC  

Only by charging their customers more. Power is sold as power is requested.

2019-09-05 19:13:07 UTC  

it would more likely encourage blackouts

2019-09-05 19:13:22 UTC  

Holy shit you still on about this

2019-09-05 19:13:22 UTC  

because it would penalize companies with extra capacity

2019-09-05 19:13:32 UTC  

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2019-09-05 19:13:33 UTC  

How the fuck would it do that?

2019-09-05 19:13:50 UTC  

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2019-09-05 19:13:57 UTC  

If you have extra capacity, that regulation ensures that you make the same profit selling to rival companies that you get from selling to your own customers.

2019-09-05 19:14:08 UTC  

extra capacity is the only thing that can prevent the blackout short of sheding a portion of the load intentionally

2019-09-05 19:15:09 UTC  

If you have power to spare, then you should be eager to sell that shit because you'll make money from it.

A mandate-to-sell-if-available simply ensures that a big company can't willfully allow a blackout to occur in a rival company's lines if they have the power to stop it from happening.

2019-09-05 19:15:13 UTC  

you do realize that the removal and addition of capacity to a distribution bus is automatic based on the voltage level?

2019-09-05 19:15:24 UTC  

remember, blackouts are inconviences

2019-09-05 19:15:33 UTC  

brown outs destroy equipment

2019-09-05 19:16:36 UTC  

there is no, "shit voltage is dropping on the bus, call our rival and see what they will charge"

2019-09-05 19:17:01 UTC  

You're assuming that you can't have an algorithm that automatically makes the purchase.

2019-09-05 19:17:17 UTC  

there is just, "oh look, GEN10-15 just started and are paralleling to thebus... must be a demand spike"

2019-09-05 19:17:18 UTC  

If they don't have enough to meet the order, then they buy from another company.

2019-09-05 19:17:39 UTC  

...and if that company doesn't have enough to fill the order, THEY buy from another company.

2019-09-05 19:17:59 UTC  

Thus creating the system we have now, except it's possibly to breakup the monopolies and have actual competition.

2019-09-05 19:18:04 UTC  

no, you are assuming power is purchased discretely BEFORE consumption and it can be done ad-hoc

2019-09-05 19:18:35 UTC  

that arrangement is made before hand and whatever happens, happens

2019-09-05 19:18:45 UTC  

So you're saying you can't have electric meters at the connections between companies, where the balance of power flow determines who charges who how much for a certain number of MW/h.

2019-09-05 19:19:00 UTC  

that isn't what you said before though

2019-09-05 19:19:10 UTC  

It kind of is.

2019-09-05 19:19:17 UTC  

Same system they use for selling to residential homes.

2019-09-05 19:19:44 UTC  

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2019-09-05 19:19:45 UTC  

in order to purchase from another company, that competitor must have a way to feed YOUR customers

2019-09-05 19:19:51 UTC  

It's not like I'm calling up the electric company right now, and negotiating a price for a certain number of KW over the next five hours because I'm not done arguing with a fucking jackass on the internet.

I pull a certain amount of juice, and I get billed for however much I pull.

2019-09-05 19:20:00 UTC  

but before, you said each company would own the specific line

2019-09-05 19:20:05 UTC  

or portion of the grid

2019-09-05 19:20:34 UTC  

how does THEIR power, reach YOUR customers and how do you limit this ONLY to what is required