Message from @ManAnimal

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2019-09-05 19:11:44 UTC  

no different than gov

2019-09-05 19:11:45 UTC  

They won't turn a profit buying from you and selling to their own customers, but it'll keep their grid from collapsing and causing a major blackout.

2019-09-05 19:12:16 UTC  

Not really. Just a mandate of service, which would in effect prevent blackouts and brownouts without government ownership or a monopoly, or any kind of national grid.

2019-09-05 19:12:33 UTC  

and under said system, any company can discretely lower capacity and earm more for their power

2019-09-05 19:12:59 UTC  

Only by charging their customers more. Power is sold as power is requested.

2019-09-05 19:13:07 UTC  

it would more likely encourage blackouts

2019-09-05 19:13:22 UTC  

Holy shit you still on about this

2019-09-05 19:13:22 UTC  

because it would penalize companies with extra capacity

2019-09-05 19:13:32 UTC  

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2019-09-05 19:13:33 UTC  

How the fuck would it do that?

2019-09-05 19:13:50 UTC  

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2019-09-05 19:13:57 UTC  

If you have extra capacity, that regulation ensures that you make the same profit selling to rival companies that you get from selling to your own customers.

2019-09-05 19:14:08 UTC  

extra capacity is the only thing that can prevent the blackout short of sheding a portion of the load intentionally

2019-09-05 19:15:09 UTC  

If you have power to spare, then you should be eager to sell that shit because you'll make money from it.

A mandate-to-sell-if-available simply ensures that a big company can't willfully allow a blackout to occur in a rival company's lines if they have the power to stop it from happening.

2019-09-05 19:15:13 UTC  

you do realize that the removal and addition of capacity to a distribution bus is automatic based on the voltage level?

2019-09-05 19:15:24 UTC  

remember, blackouts are inconviences

2019-09-05 19:15:33 UTC  

brown outs destroy equipment

2019-09-05 19:16:36 UTC  

there is no, "shit voltage is dropping on the bus, call our rival and see what they will charge"

2019-09-05 19:17:01 UTC  

You're assuming that you can't have an algorithm that automatically makes the purchase.

2019-09-05 19:17:17 UTC  

there is just, "oh look, GEN10-15 just started and are paralleling to thebus... must be a demand spike"

2019-09-05 19:17:18 UTC  

If they don't have enough to meet the order, then they buy from another company.

2019-09-05 19:17:39 UTC  

...and if that company doesn't have enough to fill the order, THEY buy from another company.

2019-09-05 19:17:59 UTC  

Thus creating the system we have now, except it's possibly to breakup the monopolies and have actual competition.

2019-09-05 19:18:04 UTC  

no, you are assuming power is purchased discretely BEFORE consumption and it can be done ad-hoc

2019-09-05 19:18:35 UTC  

that arrangement is made before hand and whatever happens, happens

2019-09-05 19:18:45 UTC  

So you're saying you can't have electric meters at the connections between companies, where the balance of power flow determines who charges who how much for a certain number of MW/h.

2019-09-05 19:19:00 UTC  

that isn't what you said before though

2019-09-05 19:19:10 UTC  

It kind of is.

2019-09-05 19:19:17 UTC  

Same system they use for selling to residential homes.

2019-09-05 19:19:44 UTC  

guys there is currently a go fund me going on for a bavarian guy that is suing youtube because they bann him for posting old marching music because of "hate speech" would be nice if you would take a look at it. https://www.gofundme.com/f/drludwig?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet

2019-09-05 19:19:45 UTC  

in order to purchase from another company, that competitor must have a way to feed YOUR customers

2019-09-05 19:19:51 UTC  

It's not like I'm calling up the electric company right now, and negotiating a price for a certain number of KW over the next five hours because I'm not done arguing with a fucking jackass on the internet.

I pull a certain amount of juice, and I get billed for however much I pull.

2019-09-05 19:20:00 UTC  

but before, you said each company would own the specific line

2019-09-05 19:20:05 UTC  

or portion of the grid

2019-09-05 19:20:34 UTC  

how does THEIR power, reach YOUR customers and how do you limit this ONLY to what is required

2019-09-05 19:20:47 UTC  

Reminder, we do GENUINELY believe that MA has schizophrenia.

2019-09-05 19:20:49 UTC  

That competitor doesn't need a direct line to your customer's homes.

They just need a hookup to your own electric grid, with a meter that measures the flow of electricity and companies get billed accordingly. Same rate that residential customers pay.

2019-09-05 19:20:50 UTC  

Unironically.

2019-09-05 19:21:32 UTC  

If company A charges a certain price, and company B charges a certain price, one of those companies gets billed by the other based on the flow of electricity and the net-contributor's price to residential consumers.

2019-09-05 19:21:43 UTC  

how does their power get onto your grid while also supplying THEIR gird id these are two distinctly seprate grids with seperate ownership