Message from @ManAnimal

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2019-09-05 19:05:42 UTC  

the system is no differnet than the current AMazon model of JIT i nventory

2019-09-05 19:05:51 UTC  

inventory is expensive to store

2019-09-05 19:06:10 UTC  

@ManAnimal - ...and in the end you make the entire system SUPER vulnerable to a deliberate attack, ensuring that the consequences would be national and catastrophic.

2019-09-05 19:06:11 UTC  

but just in time inventory allows spares to be available without storing them

2019-09-05 19:06:24 UTC  

remember to scissor your balls guise

2019-09-05 19:06:28 UTC  

they're the devil's jewels

2019-09-05 19:06:39 UTC  

because someone always has what you need and can get it there when yu n eed it

2019-09-05 19:06:47 UTC  

yes, this is true

2019-09-05 19:06:49 UTC  

Take out four or five major power plants and you knock out half the nation's electric grid.

2019-09-05 19:07:10 UTC  

but the expense required to run it in the fashion you are suggesting?

2019-09-05 19:07:13 UTC  

Whereas a smaller scale model would be far more resilient. Take out four or five power plants and four or five cities are without power.

2019-09-05 19:07:23 UTC  

Instead of the entire Eastern seaboard.

2019-09-05 19:07:29 UTC  

realize that a single substation transformer takes 6 months to wind

2019-09-05 19:07:37 UTC  

6 months

2019-09-05 19:07:56 UTC  

the grid can be made more robust

2019-09-05 19:08:37 UTC  

and in fact, the grid IS far more robust that what you are suggesting cause you can always circumvent any MAJOR outage as long as it isn't too close to the customer

2019-09-05 19:09:07 UTC  

Decentralization is how you make things more robust. You ensure that failures are not catastrophic and global by segmenting and partially segregating entire systems, where the connections are severable and have failsafes in place to automatically cut off the connection if certain conditions are met (IE - massive power surge going through a transfer center).

2019-09-05 19:09:34 UTC  

the tie from oklahoma might go down, but alabma and TN can tap their reserves to compensate

2019-09-05 19:10:06 UTC  

well, agreed; but until we have efficent energy storage, that is a bit of a pipe dream

2019-09-05 19:10:19 UTC  

You can do that under a private model.

Just require that a power company create transfer centers linking to all of their competitors, and dictate that they have to sell power to rival companies at or below the same rate they sell to their own customers.

2019-09-05 19:10:47 UTC  

'dictate that they have to sell power...' this doesn't sound to private

2019-09-05 19:11:05 UTC  

Only if it's in stock, and at the same rate you charge individual customers.

2019-09-05 19:11:23 UTC  

If you charge residential homes a certain rate per KW/h, then you have to charge rival companies the same rate.

2019-09-05 19:11:40 UTC  

but that is a subsidy

2019-09-05 19:11:44 UTC  

no different than gov

2019-09-05 19:11:45 UTC  

They won't turn a profit buying from you and selling to their own customers, but it'll keep their grid from collapsing and causing a major blackout.

2019-09-05 19:12:16 UTC  

Not really. Just a mandate of service, which would in effect prevent blackouts and brownouts without government ownership or a monopoly, or any kind of national grid.

2019-09-05 19:12:33 UTC  

and under said system, any company can discretely lower capacity and earm more for their power

2019-09-05 19:12:59 UTC  

Only by charging their customers more. Power is sold as power is requested.

2019-09-05 19:13:07 UTC  

it would more likely encourage blackouts

2019-09-05 19:13:22 UTC  

Holy shit you still on about this

2019-09-05 19:13:22 UTC  

because it would penalize companies with extra capacity

2019-09-05 19:13:32 UTC  

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2019-09-05 19:13:33 UTC  

How the fuck would it do that?

2019-09-05 19:13:50 UTC  

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2019-09-05 19:13:57 UTC  

If you have extra capacity, that regulation ensures that you make the same profit selling to rival companies that you get from selling to your own customers.

2019-09-05 19:14:08 UTC  

extra capacity is the only thing that can prevent the blackout short of sheding a portion of the load intentionally

2019-09-05 19:15:09 UTC  

If you have power to spare, then you should be eager to sell that shit because you'll make money from it.

A mandate-to-sell-if-available simply ensures that a big company can't willfully allow a blackout to occur in a rival company's lines if they have the power to stop it from happening.

2019-09-05 19:15:13 UTC  

you do realize that the removal and addition of capacity to a distribution bus is automatic based on the voltage level?

2019-09-05 19:15:24 UTC  

remember, blackouts are inconviences

2019-09-05 19:15:33 UTC  

brown outs destroy equipment