Message from @Arthur Grayborn

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2019-09-05 19:17:18 UTC  

If they don't have enough to meet the order, then they buy from another company.

2019-09-05 19:17:39 UTC  

...and if that company doesn't have enough to fill the order, THEY buy from another company.

2019-09-05 19:17:59 UTC  

Thus creating the system we have now, except it's possibly to breakup the monopolies and have actual competition.

2019-09-05 19:18:04 UTC  

no, you are assuming power is purchased discretely BEFORE consumption and it can be done ad-hoc

2019-09-05 19:18:35 UTC  

that arrangement is made before hand and whatever happens, happens

2019-09-05 19:18:45 UTC  

So you're saying you can't have electric meters at the connections between companies, where the balance of power flow determines who charges who how much for a certain number of MW/h.

2019-09-05 19:19:00 UTC  

that isn't what you said before though

2019-09-05 19:19:10 UTC  

It kind of is.

2019-09-05 19:19:17 UTC  

Same system they use for selling to residential homes.

2019-09-05 19:19:44 UTC  

guys there is currently a go fund me going on for a bavarian guy that is suing youtube because they bann him for posting old marching music because of "hate speech" would be nice if you would take a look at it. https://www.gofundme.com/f/drludwig?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet

2019-09-05 19:19:45 UTC  

in order to purchase from another company, that competitor must have a way to feed YOUR customers

2019-09-05 19:19:51 UTC  

It's not like I'm calling up the electric company right now, and negotiating a price for a certain number of KW over the next five hours because I'm not done arguing with a fucking jackass on the internet.

I pull a certain amount of juice, and I get billed for however much I pull.

2019-09-05 19:20:00 UTC  

but before, you said each company would own the specific line

2019-09-05 19:20:05 UTC  

or portion of the grid

2019-09-05 19:20:34 UTC  

how does THEIR power, reach YOUR customers and how do you limit this ONLY to what is required

2019-09-05 19:20:47 UTC  

Reminder, we do GENUINELY believe that MA has schizophrenia.

2019-09-05 19:20:49 UTC  

That competitor doesn't need a direct line to your customer's homes.

They just need a hookup to your own electric grid, with a meter that measures the flow of electricity and companies get billed accordingly. Same rate that residential customers pay.

2019-09-05 19:20:50 UTC  

Unironically.

2019-09-05 19:21:32 UTC  

If company A charges a certain price, and company B charges a certain price, one of those companies gets billed by the other based on the flow of electricity and the net-contributor's price to residential consumers.

2019-09-05 19:21:43 UTC  

how does their power get onto your grid while also supplying THEIR gird id these are two distinctly seprate grids with seperate ownership

2019-09-05 19:21:58 UTC  

Same way we move power from Chicago to Oklahoma City.

2019-09-05 19:22:10 UTC  

a company cannot give you or sell you what they do not have

2019-09-05 19:22:14 UTC  

Oklahoma Gas and Electric buys power from other states all the time. We also sell to other states all the time.

2019-09-05 19:22:22 UTC  

Yeah, and if they don't have it they buy it from someone else.

2019-09-05 19:22:23 UTC  

we don't move power chicago to oklahoma

2019-09-05 19:22:49 UTC  

If nobody has it, then some asshole with one of those expensive gas generators gets to make a killing for a little while.

2019-09-05 19:22:52 UTC  

that is an illusion; 400mi or so

2019-09-05 19:23:03 UTC  

otherwise LOSES due to heat

2019-09-05 19:23:17 UTC  

Losses are only 2% of total electric production under the current system.

2019-09-05 19:23:28 UTC  

the power closest to the customer is what in actuallity is consumed

2019-09-05 19:23:41 UTC  

it is just a 'zero sum' transaction

2019-09-05 19:23:44 UTC  

Yeah, because we shave pennies out of every deal.

2019-09-05 19:24:03 UTC  

woah, no way; 2% of the GENRATION

2019-09-05 19:24:09 UTC  

not DISTRIBUTION

2019-09-05 19:24:22 UTC  

these are SEPERATE

2019-09-05 19:25:00 UTC  

"The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that electricity transmission and distribution (T&D) losses average about 5% of the electricity that is transmitted and distributed annually in the United States."

Big woop.

2019-09-05 19:25:10 UTC  

and distribution loses vary based on weather, humidity, condition of the line, votage potentional etc

2019-09-05 19:25:33 UTC  

think about that statement for a moment before throwing it up there

2019-09-05 19:25:49 UTC  

Centralized systems are a bad idea. They should not exist. End of story.

If you haven't built your system in a decentralized fashion then you're doing it wrong.

2019-09-05 19:25:55 UTC  

is the distance the same between every generatior and customer?

2019-09-05 19:26:07 UTC  

@Weez I'm not sure about **everybody**....but you and I sure do