either that or an army of the undead to vote against them

The problem is creating those viable party options.

I wonder if Congress could just forcibly split both parties up. Like a trust bust, except for the two political parties.

@Lidomite They have no interest in that, they will always protect their own power

the problem really is with how deep corruption is with politics, there's little to stop the same problem coming back, just with more small parties with no chance

Where these powerful people get into one of these split parties and turn it into what we already have again

at that stage it's down to the people to decide on the party, if a majority wants to avoid the party with so much power so soon over the others, especially if these smaller parties would need their own political alliance to hold their ground.

Look at how they are screwing Tulsi over just because she is anti war, Political duopolies have an interest in protecting each other.

You'd think anti war would be a popular position as well, with how people raked Trump over the coals for some of his early actions in the middle east

Labour claim to hate the Tories but their worst nightmare would be the Conservative party being over taken by a UKIP/Brexit party populist right.

Tulsi and Yang are getting screwed because they let themselves get screwed. Participate in the DNC debates? Fuck the DNC debates.

I'm kinda looking forward to how voting is going to play out once brexit is done. Since I imagine a lot of people going conservative/brexit party/ukip are doing so for brexit, so once that's out of the way I wonder where they'll go next?

Don't participate and your message doesn't get out as much

I doubt Labour is going to see many returners

Start your own debates outside the DNC establishment and force the other candidates to come to your turf.

My dad has spent the last couple of years slagging off Corbyn, he voted for Brexit and yet is voting Labour because its tribal for him.

Yeah, that seemed to have a decent effect when Sargon was doing that in the south, to the point Labour tried copying it

then he'd better start hoping Corbyn is genuine on wanting brexit, not that there's much worry of a labour majority the way things are going

@Lidomite The best political debate would be just two politicians sitting in a room alone together for like 5 hours and streaming their debate.

I do know quite a few tribal labour voters though, surprising what they'll let slide because they 'always voted labour'

@Flake452 I have a feeling if like Harris and Rogan moderated a debate with Tulsi and Yang and had an open invitation to the other Dem candidates, it'll be a blockbuster.

@Flake452 Yeah. You're right. They should do that.

I remember the uproar they had when Tommy was visiting my area

Just fucking do something other than swimming in the mainstream that hates you and wants to sabotage you

Corbyn represents the worst of old labours economic policies but with New Labours multiculturalism and hatred of the working class. Old labours policies were a failure but their heart was in the right place.

That's one thing I hope to see generally in the future, having a greater emphasis on independent media for this sort of thing, as well as entertainment in general

Trump could do it in the next election, its basically what he does with his twitter now.

I agree, I would never suggest labour has always been a bad party, just over the past decade or two it's just gone completely off the deep end, instead of just trying to help those in need it's turned into us vs them

not that corbyn's leadership is helping anything, between him thinking we have infinite money to his own party running rings around him, hardly inspires confidence

I'm surprised there's not more politicians following Trump's example in that regard

His Andrew Neil interview was shocking, he didn't understand the government creating bonds added to national debt.

It's been a massive success for Trump and made him more personable to people I think

I always thought of Corbyn as a Zealot but he just came across as dumb on that interview.

intentional or otherwise, the jabs he takes at people and the occasional meme makes him feel more like an everyman, despite the fact he's obviously a much higher class than most, financially

corbyn seems to have a big issue with interviews where he gets pressured. The one that always comes to mind is how he couldn't give a straight answer on MAD

that combined with the people he calls friends makes it look like if he ever did become prime minister, our security would be a disaster

Trump is going into 2020 still having his "outsider" cred even though he's the incumbent. That's amazing.

Yeah he was once flying over Atlantic city with some Russian models, someone stated only white Trash go there, the model asked what white trash was and Trump said "Like me but poor"

when it comes down to it, I think people are just more interested in what Trump does and less what he says, while it's entertaining it's not important until it interferes with what he's trying to accomplish

Most of the outrage is from what he said when his policies are not much different than other presidents. People keep thinking that if they just get their ideal candidate the whole system will change but the system is way too powerful.

Regardless of whether people support or hate Trump, I hope one of the bigger takeaways of his presidencies is to pick your president with confidence they'll do what they say they'll do, or at least make the effort to do as much as possible. For their own dignity if nothing else. If I remember right Trump is the president that has achieved the most of his campaign promises?