no two democracies will function exactly the same, groups have their own ways of using the tool of democracy, which gives it as many flaws as perks

System that accounts for both> mob rule> minority rule

Mob rule is still an improvement to rule by a minority

given what happens in cases where a minority can dictate things, it doesn't often end well. Not helped that decision making can be tainted by wanting to 'get back' at the majority for perceived wrongdoing

also why it's weird to me that the media treats going for popular positions like it's a bad thing, like how dare they go with what the majority of people want?

uk system seems more reasonable 4 me

I have a single rule that disqualifies systems from ever becoming good, if your system is predicated on removing the existance of a group of people it will never succeed, because when that group is removed it loses its focus and objective and often times will relable people to recreate the target

not that it's without it's problems, like really labour and conservatives are the only parties that are ever going to be really considered for leadership, the smaller parties just have to hope for an alliance, it's only a bit more equal when it comes to individual positions.

even going further than that, being focused on a single task leads to the question of once this is complete... What then?

like with some activist groups having to create a new enemy, or simply keep pushing long after it's needed to retain their own relevance

While the US democrats should technically be 2 parties but they both know as 2 parties they will never have the voting power so they play this backstab dance to see who gets to control each others vote

The Republicans should be two parties as well.

given the fracturing of these parties into smaller groups, I'm surprised this hasn't at least been discussed

The republicans should have yes for a moment

But as of right now they are working much more harmoniously than the dems

Because they know they can secure 4 more years

having more party options couldn't hurt either, or I should say viable options, given some people's view that you're basically giving up your vote by not going democrat/republican

Yeah, they'd need some monumental screw up to lose another 4 years

either that or an army of the undead to vote against them

The problem is creating those viable party options.

I wonder if Congress could just forcibly split both parties up. Like a trust bust, except for the two political parties.

@Lidomite They have no interest in that, they will always protect their own power

the problem really is with how deep corruption is with politics, there's little to stop the same problem coming back, just with more small parties with no chance

Where these powerful people get into one of these split parties and turn it into what we already have again

at that stage it's down to the people to decide on the party, if a majority wants to avoid the party with so much power so soon over the others, especially if these smaller parties would need their own political alliance to hold their ground.

Look at how they are screwing Tulsi over just because she is anti war, Political duopolies have an interest in protecting each other.

You'd think anti war would be a popular position as well, with how people raked Trump over the coals for some of his early actions in the middle east

Labour claim to hate the Tories but their worst nightmare would be the Conservative party being over taken by a UKIP/Brexit party populist right.

Tulsi and Yang are getting screwed because they let themselves get screwed. Participate in the DNC debates? Fuck the DNC debates.

I'm kinda looking forward to how voting is going to play out once brexit is done. Since I imagine a lot of people going conservative/brexit party/ukip are doing so for brexit, so once that's out of the way I wonder where they'll go next?

Don't participate and your message doesn't get out as much

I doubt Labour is going to see many returners

Start your own debates outside the DNC establishment and force the other candidates to come to your turf.

My dad has spent the last couple of years slagging off Corbyn, he voted for Brexit and yet is voting Labour because its tribal for him.

Yeah, that seemed to have a decent effect when Sargon was doing that in the south, to the point Labour tried copying it

then he'd better start hoping Corbyn is genuine on wanting brexit, not that there's much worry of a labour majority the way things are going

@Lidomite The best political debate would be just two politicians sitting in a room alone together for like 5 hours and streaming their debate.

I do know quite a few tribal labour voters though, surprising what they'll let slide because they 'always voted labour'

@Flake452 I have a feeling if like Harris and Rogan moderated a debate with Tulsi and Yang and had an open invitation to the other Dem candidates, it'll be a blockbuster.

@Flake452 Yeah. You're right. They should do that.

I remember the uproar they had when Tommy was visiting my area