Or aware of the fact that the government is capable of being corrupt

Oh hey Llee

Fancy meeting you here

Yeah that's the biggest problem of all really, it's putting way too much faith in governments that have a proven track record of working for their own benefit

Isn't socialism the process and communism is the "utopian" end result?

Not quite

They're similar in concept but two different things

Ah.

They both end in the same way though

Yup

Do both of them emphasize the "workers owning the means of production"? Whatever that means.

That's only communism I believe

But yet again, that doesn't actually ever happen as the govt owns any and all businesses

then you get people claiming they'll dismantle the government, yet somehow be able to get people to cooperate without a governing display of force

Isn't that one of the biggest problems with anarchy?

Anarchy is no government at all

anarchy is great if you can't think more than one step ahead.

I was referring to Dragon's comment about how if the government is somehow dismantled, then there will be a huge power vacuum that will quickly be filled.

Yup

Most likely by the military.

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Allo

Expecting nobody to want to do better with their life, or simply want more power is one of it's short sighted problems

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Hm, I can not change my name apparently...

The issue with anarchy is that it's not only prone to corruption, but it's hard to get out of

Unless you manage to develop a hierarchy within the anarchy that can survive long enough to become stable

It's not that hard. Just gather a group of people, arm them all, establish a base and say it's the central authority now, and kill everyone that dissents.

and likely to be filled with violence, because the government no longer manages the application of force. So you'd better be ready to protect your own from any violent thug that takes interest, especially when nobody is going to have any obligation to look out for you.

All it takes is a bunch of cracked skulls

That's incredibly hard to make a stable mock govt

and wouldn't forming that kind of group be antithetical to anarchy?

yeah, "violent thugs" describes many anarchists well, so...

it just creates the 'problem' they got themselves out of

I'd imagine that a "pure" or total anarchy (no hierarchy at all) would disappear pretty fast when people start to organize themselves to protect themselves and so on

well when you own nothing and you achieve nothing, you won't need a government to protect your property rights.

it might even end up worse than before because how do you hold a mock government to account when it's decided by who has the biggest stick makes the rules?

Reminds me of that video Sargon did titled "Antifa Battle Strategies".

But my understanding is that no-one really is advocating for that, at least the anarchists I've chatted with want a system that is based on smaller communities freely organizing in any manner they want and voting on everything

...which is still really unrealistic

Yeah, we've far advanced away from small tribes, how do they expect to survive if we suddenly isolate ourselves away from each other?