https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-sgrki4pu4

*Unless theres some extenuating circumstances, I guess* :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jx-byyGOW0 - finally something being done about this gender trans bullshit

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Well to me I think religious freedom is important. And leftists want us to destroy our religions. But I’m also against FGM that is in Islam. But my family are Christians and im circumcised.... so it’s like... I’m torn

>im circumcised

I didn’t exactly have a choice bruh

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@UnScottable just accept that some fuckwit made it a cultural norm to stop masturbation, that it shouldn't be a norm to cut a baby penis "just cause". It's the only justification outside religion. I'm cut and Christian, I'm not mad about it, but I won't advocate circumcision.

I mean I won’t advocate for it but then again I wouldn’t outright ban it either

I'm fine with having it not be a fucking check box on a sign in sheet

Nor do I think it’s “evil” or objectively morally “bad”

Never said that, just that it's only justification in this day and age is religion. And that's not good enough to make it standard practice

I think a lot of people define their morals based on perception, how they perceive things. A lot of it is subjective. Not all things... but a lot of it.

I dnt think it should be “standard” but then again if my parents wanted it for me due to tradition.. and I think we need more tradition today then ever... idk.. I just subjectively view it as not a big deal

And no amount of shaming or subjective justification will change my mind on this really. I don’t view it as barbaric just because others tell me to view it that way

Well strangers I should say

People who aren’t in my family or community

Not always barbaric, that depends on the doctor. But definitely archaic

Well it should always be done in a sterilized advanced medical facility. Always. I think given what we know about bacteria... etc the importance of sanitation, this view doesn’t seem as subjective to me

Now a big thing I wonder. Is if I ever had children what would I do?

Shhheeett... I have no idea lol like I said I’m torn

Just don't, what do you reasonably gain from it other than "his looks like mine"

Hating FGM in Islam and being circumcised is one of those things that cause cognitive dissonance and I’m not sure what to do about it ... and idk I’d have to look more into the life long effects of it

Does it make you naturally more resistant to pain? Is this a bad thing or good thing,.. idk lol I don’t know the data on this

Then again when my parents did this they didn’t obsess over the data

Is that not a post modern way of viewing this

Supposedly desensitization, but I've never heard an account from someone who experienced both. So it's all subjective

There's no real proof to any of it's benefits or detriments. Just whether they're cut or not. So the only decision that you actually have to struggle with if you only care about decisions with facts behind it is wether to snip the tip or leave it alone. If you're uncomfortable with the idea of someone snipping a piece of your child off right after birth, then don't do it.

If it doesn't bug you than it doesn't bug you

See to me... hmm I’d imagine if I didn’t my parents would be like... “ehh why bruh”

So I’d have to have a reasonable explanation as to why I didn’t to some degree

So you'd do it because you cave to social pressure?

Even for just my self.. really

I like to try and understand what’s behind decisions

So if I pick one or the other I’d have to have some kind of... idk... foundation to the decision

If someone asks why you're against circumcision just ask why they're for it. No one has an answer outside of religion

And it’s like.... hmm one decision is like.. well I didn’t do it because strangers who aren’t in my family made fun of it or viewed it as bad. And the other choice is like... I did it because it’s been done for hundreds of years in my lineage

I mean in General the idea of any form of permanent purely cosmetic surgery on an infant tends to be a violation of the right to bodily autonomy no?