no im a personal trainer and have been for 8 years

The protein in meat is more similar to the protein in our muscles, so what happens is that a great deal more IGF-1 is released in response, which causes tumors to grow

i am paind good money to study all aspects of fitness

That's why you mean by 'better quality'

nutrition is the most important part of fitness

I've done mainstream nutrition papers before, most of it is right, but some of it isn't

Even doctors believe a lot of nutrition myths

Also I agree

It's not hard to get any of those things on a vegan diet btw

Excluding B12

if you want to be a vegan, go ahead, but be warned, that your just starving yourself

That's another dumb thing that s3vrige repeats, he's wrong

lets meet up in 20 years and see who is healthier

Sure, vegans live longer and have less chronic disease so probably me lol

name one civilization that eats an pure vegan diet

there is none

humans are designed from the ground up to be omnivores

Even herbivores are opportunistic

Straw man

I'm not arguing that

There has been civilisations that eat mostly plants though

And groups

Okinawan diet was like 97% plants

They used to be the longest living group in the world

Breakdown of Okinawan Diet by calories vs the rest of Japan

Everyone always assumes that people who hold differing points of view 'need to research more'

It's not about researching more, it's about researching different viewpoints

I know what raw meat advocates and the like say about veganism and most of it is just not true and can be disproved by a simple google search lol, people like s3vrige are especially bad with this

That nutrient list you gave, a lot of those nutrients come from plants originally and are absorbed by animals (like us)

"long chain fatty acids
iodine
iron
calcium
DHA
glucosimine
collagen
vitamin c
vitamin d3
vitamin k
magnesium
copper
potassium
zinc"

and still, they eat plenty of fish

Well as you can see, not really

1% of their caloric intake was fish

yet that 1% of fish gives them the DHS and omega 3 fatty acis thair brains and eyes crave

while plants do not

and while its true that all of these nutrients are in plants, their bioavalibility in the plants is extremely low

pittifully low

long chain fatty acids you can get from algae based supplements, which are pollutant free unlike fish oil
iodine is from the soil, which is absorbed by plants and then we eat them
iron is in legumes, nuts, seeds and grains
calcium is in legumes, nuts, seeds and greens
DHA is also from algae based supplements
collagen and glucosimine are not essential nutrients
vitamin C is from plants, especially fruit (scurvy was cured by limes, not meat)
vitamin d3 you can get from sunlight or supplements (worth taking actually because they are one of the only supplements that have actually been proven to increase lifespan)
vitamin k is from cruciferous vegetables
magnesium is in legumes, nuts, seeds, greens and other vegetables
copper and zinc are both minerals, so repeat
potassium is high in nearly all vegetables especially ones like tomatoes, legumes etc

so your saying the same shit you said before, which is "plants contain all these nurtients" which im not disagring with at all

what im saying is that the amount of these nutrients is small, and our bodies arent good at extracting these nutrients

Not just that they contain these nutrients, but at high amounts