Message from @whiic

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2019-11-05 02:57:09 UTC  

You cannot say it's only "of".

2019-11-05 02:57:12 UTC  

It goes all ways

2019-11-05 02:57:29 UTC  

Many Christian conservatives think it's only freedom "of" but not at all "from".

2019-11-05 02:57:51 UTC  

They use that as an argument for unconstitutional laws that prohibit atheists from running for any state office.

2019-11-05 02:58:28 UTC  

An interesting experiment is comparing the Alexa ranks of Sam Harris's website to the alexa rank of Atheist movement organizations. Basically, it seems like half the atheist movement transitioned into the SJW movement as Scott Alexander points out, but also that the other half of the atheist movement moved to outlets like Quillette, SamHarris.org, Joe Rogan Experience, AiU, etc.

2019-11-05 02:59:31 UTC  

Yeah, because the non-SJW atheism didn't exist. It was split up to individuals who opposed SJWs.

2019-11-05 02:59:45 UTC  

Every single atheist **institution** in USA was pro-SJW.

2019-11-05 03:00:23 UTC  

That's because they made the mistake of thinking *everything* in conservativism was wrong.

2019-11-05 03:00:35 UTC  

And there's undoubtedly something good with it.

2019-11-05 03:00:51 UTC  

This is a misunderstanding of the state and federal. The constitution sets limits on **federal** power. Not the state or local or sovereign. This is clearly stated in the 9th and 10th.

2019-11-05 03:01:16 UTC  

Both economically and in the pro-family thinking (although even conservatives twist it into being just anti-gay, rather than actually focusing on keeping heterosexual families intact).

2019-11-05 03:01:28 UTC  

Atheist movement committed pretty much suicide.

2019-11-05 03:02:14 UTC  

@Jym So individual states can prohibit 1st and 2nd A?

2019-11-05 03:04:06 UTC  

This is again a misunderstanding. Where there is a federal mandate or constituent power that law is supreme.

2019-11-05 03:04:32 UTC  

If constitution only restricts the Federation but not the states, how do 5th A apply?

2019-11-05 03:04:57 UTC  

I mean, FBI **DIDN'T EVEN EXIST** originally, so 5th A would not apply to anyone at all! For fucks sake.

2019-11-05 03:05:19 UTC  

If FBI doesn't exist, there's no Federal police, and 5th A is meaningless.

2019-11-05 03:05:42 UTC  

Why was 5th A even passed if there's no federal power that it is affected by?

2019-11-05 03:07:02 UTC  

Again, where the fed has a delegated power it is supreme over the state. So all those civil rights override any local ordinance. But those powers *not specifically delegated to the fed* are free to local interpretation.

2019-11-05 03:08:54 UTC  

Well, I think 1st A overrides any local law to prohibit an atheist for running for an office.

2019-11-05 03:09:01 UTC  

And SCOTUS is on my side.

2019-11-05 03:09:24 UTC  

Because there are such laws, and they've consistently ruled unconstitutional.

2019-11-05 03:09:50 UTC  

USA has freedom from religion (in addition to freedom of religion).

2019-11-05 03:10:09 UTC  

I know it's a conservative talking point that USA has only freedom of, but not from, religion.

2019-11-05 03:10:41 UTC  

Which is why they passed local laws prohibiting atheists from attempting to run for any office.

2019-11-05 03:10:46 UTC  

No that is still freedom of religion. If your religion is 'atheist' federal supremacy steps in.

2019-11-05 03:10:57 UTC  

Atheist is not a religion.

2019-11-05 03:11:09 UTC  

Atheist is irreligion.

2019-11-05 03:11:19 UTC  

Irreligion is non-religion.

2019-11-05 03:12:45 UTC  

If you think atheism is a religion, what are their core tenets?

2019-11-05 03:12:53 UTC  

What are their holy books?

2019-11-05 03:13:18 UTC  

Horseshit. The old atheist saying is "Not bowling is not a sport" Well if you have not-bowler clubs that get together and talk about how great it is to not bowl you are a sport of sorts,

2019-11-05 03:14:09 UTC  

Nope. Not bowling is still not a sport.

2019-11-05 03:14:40 UTC  

IF a system of ideas not containing a deity is not a religion then Buddhism is not a religion and Scientology is not a religion.

2019-11-05 03:15:04 UTC  

System of ideas? Atheists don't have one.

2019-11-05 03:18:33 UTC  

For example those who follow material nihilism are distinct from Buddhists (most of who are still technically atheists, along with Satanists and some of the occultists).

2019-11-05 03:19:39 UTC  

Which warrants a correction to my previous statement: "Atheist is irreligion" because Buddhism can be called a religion... or a philosophy. Depends on the definition of "religion".

2019-11-05 03:20:29 UTC  

Well scientology has no gods either just aliens.....

2019-11-05 03:20:47 UTC  

They'd be about as religion as Buddhism, then.

2019-11-05 03:20:47 UTC  

Kind of doesn't matter, the IRS has classified some secular organizations as churches and granted them exemptions

2019-11-05 03:21:15 UTC  

But where as Buddhism can be a religion, atheism as whole is not.