California isn't socialist? Why do Americans struggle to comprehend what Socialism and communism are?

Ya that just auroritarian if the government is doing it, though that is a component of it

yeah, I actually have to agree. its just completely overflooded with immigrants and all the services, public and private, are being swamped

more a product of sanctuary city status than planned economy or redistribution

In the big cities at least

At least it nor Portland yet

yeah, but they have yet another separate issue

open fighting

There's a Quasi-Civil Conflict

California is just shades away from becoming a socialist utopia. The ever increasing taxes are just redistribution without the express intent being advocated by the state.

At the local level it's different, but State Government is just a slow motion trainwreck

it's highly regulated and redistributive capitalism not socialism

What is socialism

hence like the shades away

Socialism has a market theory and a philosophical component, which a lot of people focus on the market theory because they don't like admitting their philosophy requires brutish and authoritarian tactics to implement.

socialism in its most broadest definition would be the collective ownership over the means of production

What ever it is I don't like it

I mean the wealth rediatabusion and regulations

Well wealth distribution isn't the goal it's just what happens when you take the means of production for the people .

Most people, reasonably, can't imagine a way to do this without the threat of force.

Then it is the goal. You’re taking wealth from some and giving to others.

You are giving it to everyone

Government enforced charity that what we can call it

the difference is is that redistribution implies that you're maintaining private ownership of property but just taking a portion of the surplus and distributing it to others

Mandatory govement enforced charity

Redistribution where 90% goes to the government and 10% goes to someone else but no one knows who.

Everyone not full blown commie is considered a Nazi by the left.

social democracy works when people have a cultural bond. It prevents resentment and people will hold each other accountable. On the flip side...social democracy can never work with 20 different cultures. Like in AMerica. White europeans pay for everyone else.

That's not Socialism @Wizard_of_The_West

Not even close.

The means of production are still in private hands..

They're not nationalising as many assets as they can..

Water and energy are still in private ownership...

What the fuck are you talking about, "California is just shades away from becoming a socialist utopia"

Argubly Europe is closer and they're still MILES away..

this is not good:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191021/11055043232/

time to call your Congress critters

It's hilarious for College Commies to claim Socialism will be implemented peacefully yet shy away from questions like: "What if the farmers don't want to give up their land" or "How do you plan to handle industries that don't want to Nationalise"

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https://pluralist.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-bernie-sanders//49999

Can any of you delusional, possibly socialist Tulsi fans explain your fascination with this Progressive? https://www.tulsi2020.com/record