Which, let's be honest, there are a lot of reasons why the electorate are apathetic.

The point is that term limits take the decision to step down out of the incumbents hands, how much biased support do you think a lifetime president has when they've ran a country by giving positions to friends. What's a good country without term limits?

Need Ranked Choice Voting too

and when the electorate is apathetic, what does it matter? they reap what they sow

Cuz it affects the rest of us

Ranked Choice would make people feel like they're voting for who they actually want, rather than the lesser evil

do something to make people care?

I mean, I do my part, but ...

I would say that demographics are important but not in the way that either SJWs nor Groyper's pretend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9zH1dWeKE0

Note I used a 5 minute not 5 hour vid....

I think demographics are important in terms of where to focus attention, but doesn't say anything meaningful about individuals and thus can't be the basis of policy

if you're talking about PRC, they haven't had meaningful elections in 70+ years

I thought their elections were whoever ran out of bullets first?

My point exactly. How many terms would FDR have lasted if he didn't die in office?

but if you're talking about the US, grassroots campaigning is going to be the only way to create any affect on the political landscape

And if the electorate votes for term limits?

if the electorate votes for term limits, let us have term limits

So far as I'm aware, most people want that, just the establishment politicians don't

i do remember when i lived in arkansas and they put term limits on state legislators...things got more corrupt, not less

I don't see why that would be the case. Sounds like an outlier, just like Kansas getting rid of taxes causing problems.

@Marushia Dark it left lobbyists as the only long time denizens of the state house

For the state budget maybe, but not for the state at large

We can kick them too

@Marushia Dark one can't very well run the lobbyists out of little rock on a rail...this isn't the 1940s

Not saying they wouldn't fight back, but still.

keep in mind, i haven't lived in arkansas in over 10 years

i spent a decade in new york then recently came back south to mississippi

I think if you get at least 51% of the population to do it you just made it legal

i left little rock a liberal...left brooklyn a conservative

Race isn't everything but it's definitely something.

It's not racist to point it out.

quite literally voted with my feet both times

You can find "based black dudes" but it isn't beside the fact over 90% of black people voted for Obama for some reason I just don't know what.

My opinion on race, Joey, is that unless you're a doctor, historian, anthropologist, statistician, or merely expressing personal sexual aesthetic preferences, race categorically doesn't matter to anything.

Same with gender and sexuality

Well that's a liberal opinion Marushia.

It's nothing. I can find more people with my last name in the Wehr phonebook than the US. Yet I know none of them and have nothing in common with them.

Well on social issues I'm more liberal, so ...

Are you a conservative?

I'm economically conservative, socially liberal in most respects. So slightly center-right libertarian. I have my PC test on YT if you're interested

And I mean, look, I get it. I apply it both ways. The Groypers have their complaints, but they're still rightwing SJWs