There’s no need for them though?

So why would we have them?

yeah there is

For fun

You can still do that @Hopix

Crime does still exist and said Crime could be a threat to someone and that person should have the ability to buy a firearm to defend themself

Acid attacks 0_0

But our violent crime rate is so low and murder rate is so low, the chances of that happening are tiny.

Your actions will actually increase the murder rate.

I’ll pull out my trusty flashlight that’ll show those acid throwing domestic terrorists

Wish I could own some guns just for a laugh

Join a shooting club @Hopix

That’s what I’ve done.

Then you can do just that.

@Nathan James 123 The murder rate increasing isn't exactly a bad thing if it is increasing due to people defending themselves from crime

I'm reasonably content with being unarmed in this country, though I think the benefit of doubt needs to be given to people defending their home/property in a much bigger way

That just means that people are effectively using their right to bear arms

Crime which is occurring thanks to your policy? @The Electric Lizard

Yeah, that’s a problem.

Crime wouldn't increase much

If you're a burglar, you shouldn't be entitled to demand "proportionate force"

Murder = / = deaths from self defense

Sorry, I’ll rephrase

Our death rate ^*

Which includes manslaughter and murder, etc.

At the moment Britain needs better policing than the right to bear arms

That would increase

For no gain.

It needs better laws and institutions, not better policing

People that want to commit a crime here are going to find a way to do it regardless, Having guns won't enable them if they will find an alternative route if guns are not an option

Okay? So why make firearms more accessible? @The Electric Lizard

I think that was proved by the homemade SMG

What it would do is allow people to defend themselves when someone decides to commit a crime

The police are an instatusions arnt they

They’ll just steal them from people.

Means they have MORE weapons.

Thus reducing the death toll

The police are an institution, policing is an action

I guess

We have problems with the police and the judicial system, along with the laws and priorities

Your argument provides me with justification for not having them @The Electric Lizard