I mean we can do that without a UN Soni don't see the point

Muh NAP guidance?

No I mean I am a libertarian but I'm not an ancap

I'm hearing that labour has over taken cons in the polls

Going looking for polls

If you look at history nations grouped together all the time to form a united front, look at the many wars of the coalition's

labour seems fucked tbh, shame the torys will win it

So? @sirwoods

Labour is pretty much hated and it has a split vote

Oh, its bollocks information

Just checked the polls

all the muslims will vote for labour, just to get the remaining pedos over here

JC is a fucking clown

Yeah @Nathan James 123 ?

I'm not calling it until the elections.
Labour seem like they were being to be wiped out last election.
Then may was may

Why shouldn't we be pushing our agenda onto others?

Other than the moral implications it doesn't really work, if you impose say democracy onto a people they will see it as a foreign imposition and likely be more against it before

what agenda is bing pushed nat?

When it comes to statecraft moral implications are a meme.

Yeah that's why I said other than moral ones

But isn't a government supposed to be for its people

What if we pushed for heavy investment into a country, then started influencing their politics from said investments?

What do say the people of the UK gain from exporting democracy? A bunch of dead soldiers and a load of wasted money?

Investment is completely fine

Depending on how it's implemented, a new regional partner, stability and economic benefits?

Actually it's a moral good

Yeah peaceful cooperation is good

So China using debt diplomacy in Africa is a "moral good"

Interesting.

No, say for example we invade a country, then install a puppet regieme

As historically we have done to massive success

Well debt diplomacy can only go so far if you have a decent country that has say a stable democracy

Since if they try to influence your country too much you can refuse to pay debts or confiscate stuff, but if it's purely peaceful and non coercive I don't see the problem

we cant even install a solid goverment here, let alone elsewhere, UK politics is a pisstake

can you imagine the fannys trying to do anything worthwhile

That's what happens when the government controlls so much, a smaller government is more accountable

public hangings of criminals and gov workers would sharpen things up

Lol

sorry, those are one and the same

> you can refuse to pay debts or confiscate stuff
So, theft and then massive condemnation on the world stage and a decreased credit rating, meaning less investment and your economy slowing down?

> non coercive I don't see the problem
Debt diplomacy by its very nature is coercive