!agree

The UN is a pile of shit

It's just a bunch of powerful nations dictating to the rest

And usually they dictate bullshit

What even Russia and China?

Because those where impossible without the UN

Isn't Saudi Arabia on the women's rights council or whatever

But the UN is a good idea right

It's totally not just a way for nations to push their own agenda

Regardless of who it hurts

No I mean I am a libertarian but I'm not an ancap

If you look at history nations grouped together all the time to form a united front, look at the many wars of the coalition's

Labour is pretty much hated and it has a split vote

Yeah @Nathan James 123 ?

Other than the moral implications it doesn't really work, if you impose say democracy onto a people they will see it as a foreign imposition and likely be more against it before

Yeah that's why I said other than moral ones

But isn't a government supposed to be for its people

What do say the people of the UK gain from exporting democracy? A bunch of dead soldiers and a load of wasted money?

Investment is completely fine

Actually it's a moral good

Yeah peaceful cooperation is good

Well debt diplomacy can only go so far if you have a decent country that has say a stable democracy

Since if they try to influence your country too much you can refuse to pay debts or confiscate stuff, but if it's purely peaceful and non coercive I don't see the problem

That's what happens when the government controlls so much, a smaller government is more accountable

Lol

China is a special case though since it's the government doing it

I'm all for private investment and such but not the government

Sorry you are right this isn't a subject I know much about

I would say that a government investing in another country with public funds isn't an acceptable way of influencing a nation

I'm all for private investment in other countries and the sharing of ideas and such

But I'd object to my government doing it

I do but I believe that a government should serve its people

I can see an argument for such tactics for national security

Yeah I can see that argument

You can't just ignore the geopolitical power game

Yeah I object to it and think it's bad but so is war, there are times where both are necessary for the good of your nations citizens

If you ignore the power game and get weak you get invaded and your people suffer

I disagree

I disagree I think it's important to be in a position to defend yourself but I disagree with power for powers sake

I want my people to be free

I don't think it's necessary at the moment at least for the UK

I agree there and we should stand for our people's interest but when you say aggressively it sounds like you mean something like using the millitary and I don't think that is necessary

I completely disagree haha

So what invade France?

I'm not sure what you mean by use the military then

Gunboat diplomacy?

So empire? Start an empire to be more powerful and be stronger?

I disagree I don't think we need to start an empire to remain free

I don't see why if anything that will be an economic burden

If china gets worse you will just get cold war 2 and then we back the US

I don't think we are in coldwar 2, I think it might be on its way but not yet

Sure china is inflicting but that goes on between nations all the time, it's not like they are about to steamroll Europe

And what happens when we go yeah this is ours now china?

If they start messing with us

Then let's take their shit

So it's bad enough that we should start an empire but not that we can't confiscate their assets in the UK?

So it's not bad enough that lowering the credit rating is worth it?

Benefit who? The British people who's blood will have to be spilled to maintain this empire and who have to face the large tax burden?

I'd rather be Switzerland but in the north Atlantic

And an empire would be pain free?

Other countries arent gonna be like Hmmm maybe we should stop this?

And then loads of wars that cost more money and blood?

Because government intervention always works look at Venezuela it's a paradise

A country with something like 50 percent income tax yay

I do love not being able to choose how I spend my money