Also...
Le Reddit

Fuck Reddit, it's full of imbeciles

That's sub-twitter level discourse

Add another 100B to the number

interesting https://twitter.com/BloombergTV/status/1195329543877345281?s=20

technically... right now.. the EU does not exist

as per the treaty of the EU article 17 section 4

which is currently not applied

Tories haven't crippled the NHS. Labour caused the issues by opening the borders and allowing none citizens to use the NHS for no cost. NHS funding has only risen over the years, but it is unable to keep up with the rising demand, and thus throwing more and more money at an ever increasing issue doesn't tackle the actual issue, it just attempts to cover up the major flaw there is, and that's an open border policy that Blair's Labour introduced in the early 2000's.

If PEP actually cared about the NHS, he wouldn't be so partisan on the issue and would tackle it head on. Immigration is the flaw and it needs to be curbed. You can't have mass immigration and a socialised healthcare that is open to all, but funded by the citizens, its unfair on the citizens and turns our system into that of a failing one.

> Tories haven't crippled the NHS
The poor amount of money the Tories have been putting into the NHS did that

However, it is true that the tories haven't done much in the way of fixing it either. Instead of throwing money at the issue, they should have actually closed the border and prevented the issue from getting worse.

Funding has risen each year. It's not the funding, it's the demand.

> Labour caused the issues by opening the borders and allowing none citizens to use the NHS for no cost
Not really the issue

The issue is retaining NHS staff

Pay on the NHS is fucking terrible, compared to private

The issue is demand.

So guess what. Most go private.

Also. Poor planning

But hey ho, you haven't addressed my point. Back to my project. <:bojo:627262664279851044>

The UK population has been following the same rough trend up, so there really isn't this massive, magical and sudden immigrant demand that you're claiming is the source of all our NHS problems

> NHS funding has only risen over the years, but it is unable to keep up with the rising demand, and thus throwing more and more money at an ever increasing issue doesn't tackle the actual issue
Funding has hardly risen when you account for inflation.
If the issue is with demand, then more money into it WOULD fix the problem. More hospitals, more doctors, more nurses.

To meet that demand.

There is already a massive defacit of nurses and doctors.

That will only get worse if you fail to increase NHS spending

The actual issues with the NHS are pay. People aren't paid enough, hence don't stay.

Why have you deleted the arguments against demand?

That one message about free masters on the NHS, then leaving?

Because if you're legitimately saying that immigrants that don't pay their way into the NHS and use and abuse at the cost of tax payer money isn't a major issue, then you're just being daft.

400 odd thousand new people a year purely due to them moving here is going to put a massive strain on the NHS. The issues you have risen are all as legitimate, but you haven't proved me wrong.

Sure it's an issue, but pay is a bigger issue. The doctor and nurse losses come from pay.

I agree funding is naff, though it has risen, I agree that staff aren't paid enough so there's no insensitive to remain part of the NHS. But the backbone issue is huge numbers arriving in the country.

No, the backbone issue is we can't retain staff.

That makes EVERY issue worse

The backbone is immigration. Because unless you curb that, you can throw every bit of money at the issue, but it's only going to continue, and people's wages aren't going to see much increase at all, it'll cost far too much as time goes on for it to be worth while and will lead to its privatisation. Whereas you curb immigration, you can then work on the other major issues without the worry of an ever increasing population, at least one that isn't increasing due to birth rates, but is artificially bloated.

Whatever argument you want to put out for the cause, more spending is required to fix it.

Yes, but we can ensure it's less than it needs to be by dropping demand

The tories have a horrible legacy.
They promised that they would introduce a points based system since 2015.
And since then they haven’t done diddly.

Don't trust the Tories on anything

Although I do ~~hope~~ think Boris is the person that is most likely person to correct that.

They're lying profiteer