Message from @ShimShamWhamBam
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not an argument
WHY is it murder
only time id approve aborting. is if its a rape baby, or if the baby wouldnt survive out of the womb/has a life threatening condition
@Marushia Dark At four weeks the brain begins to develop. After that time you cannot be sure that what you are aborting isn’t a person.
Err on the side of not murdering someone. No abortions after 4 weeks.
So plan b is still fine. The contraceptive pill is still fine. Other pharmaceutical abortificants administered before 4 weeks are fine.
Because that is a potential person, I seriously don't see the difference between a fetus and a baby
Both grow up into a fucking adult
Last I checked, sentience doesn't occur until 12 weeks
so first trimester
Well I probably was not far off then
No one knows when sentience begins.
Literally no one.
Most Americans are European
According to current scientific understanding, that's when it occurs
just descent
not
actual
To know when something starts you must first be able to define it
I am speaking in the aggregate here
We cannot define sentience, let alone intelligence
Are those who are cripplingly retarded sentient
@Marushia Dark That is absolutely incorrect. We have absolutely no way of testing for the sentience of a fetus.
TBH the correct argument would be abortion OK before 4 years because they have no memory until 4 years
@Hexidecimark can't we?
In a limited way. Like most things. Especially on here. It is a spectrum
and that's post birth abortion
Binary thinkers cannot understand
I seriously don't see the difference between killing a fetus and killing a 3 year old
What I’m saying is that it’s impossible for any kind of sentience to exist before 4 weeks, as there is no brain for that sentience to reside in.
After four weeks, we just can’t know. Err on the side of not-murder.
We really can't
If we could find a singular definition for either they'd both be simpler to recreate mechanically
Laws allow very little wiggle room, it's illegal or legal, things can be legal and immoral or illegal and moral, but the legality of the issue is what we are discussing, so we must be precise and binary to that end
I often say that the law can't rule on what science and philosophy can't answer. If we can't tell what is sentience and when it occurs, then it's morally ambiguous
typically it takes 2 weeks to find out if youre pregnant via tests
Aside from Joker, were there any good movies this year?
@Marushia Dark I think ShimSham has you here
The last jedi was pretty funny