I love this little angry chinese fella

unless rape or health issues

Post birth abortions when

@Chuckler Maru is chinese

?

Give me a secular reason why abortion pre-sentience is immoral

it's murder

not an argument

WHY is it murder

only time id approve aborting. is if its a rape baby, or if the baby wouldnt survive out of the womb/has a life threatening condition

@Marushia Dark At four weeks the brain begins to develop. After that time you cannot be sure that what you are aborting isn’t a person.

Err on the side of not murdering someone. No abortions after 4 weeks.

So plan b is still fine. The contraceptive pill is still fine. Other pharmaceutical abortificants administered before 4 weeks are fine.

Because that is a potential person, I seriously don't see the difference between a fetus and a baby

@Win Roe Are you ethnically from EU or America?

Both grow up into a fucking adult

@Chuckler neither

Last I checked, sentience doesn't occur until 12 weeks

so first trimester

@Chuckler that makes no sense

Well I probably was not far off then

No one knows when sentience begins.

Literally no one.

Most Americans are European

@Chuckler very far off geographically and culturally

According to current scientific understanding, that's when it occurs

just descent

not

actual

Is a baby sentient? When is that determined?

To know when something starts you must first be able to define it

I am speaking in the aggregate here

We cannot define sentience, let alone intelligence

Are those who are cripplingly retarded sentient

@Marushia Dark That is absolutely incorrect. We have absolutely no way of testing for the sentience of a fetus.

TBH the correct argument would be abortion OK before 4 years because they have no memory until 4 years

@Hexidecimark can't we?

In a limited way. Like most things. Especially on here. It is a spectrum

and that's post birth abortion

Binary thinkers cannot understand

I seriously don't see the difference between killing a fetus and killing a 3 year old

What I’m saying is that it’s impossible for any kind of sentience to exist before 4 weeks, as there is no brain for that sentience to reside in.

After four weeks, we just can’t know. Err on the side of not-murder.

We really can't