@Jack of Trades Women aren't above the law, they can't do whatever the hell they like

You're bringing in irrelevant thesis

Shim, that's literally what not being a person means

If a state deems that killing a fetus is murdering a person, and prevents their doctors from doing so, great.

We don't care about the rights of rocks, for instnace

What does it mean?

@ShimShamWhamBam The whole point of removing personhood is because it's contentious

If you want an abortion, go to a state where it’s legal.

@Win Roe I agree, I'm not suggesting they are, however there's no law that gives you the right to someone else's body, fetuses included. QED

what are youse even sperging about?

@Scale_e it shouldn't be illegal

It's late, I'd really prefer not to dig out my law dictionary -_-

Laws = Morality?

@Jack of Trades police have to order people around in certain circumstances, people are not islands we live in a society

churk cares about the rights of rocks

@Win Roe and?

@Churk am i right?

@Chuckler Depends on the law. Sometimes yes (rape, murder) sometimes no (traffic law, war on drugs)

Anyone who does not want a kid should not have one

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that is personhood a purely legal term or an agreement society, are Jews in the third Reich people if the government denies their personhood?

> churk cares about the rights of rocks

Touché

That's in accordance with the law. There isn't a law that lets you decide someone has to support another life so enforcement is irrelevant. There's nothing to enforce.

People have responsibilities to eachother, sure it's not a "right" to someone elses body, but you have to take into account how your actions affect other people

Life is not precious

the baby inside the body has a right to that body

It is in abundance

@Win Roe the only people on question are the person carrying the child and the child

if you have a baby in there you have already given up some of your rights to this "baby" thing

Personhood is a universal human concept. The right to personhood is recognized in the UDHR, for instance. So Jews would still be persons regardless of what the Nazis say. That's WHY it's a crime to kill them

The child does not have the legal right to the mother's womb, as I understand it

squatters rights

checkmate atheist

Jack, rights and duties are correlated. It has a right to the womb the same way a baby has a right to food. It's dependent on the mother as a result of the one-way consent of the relationship

I think we can find a cutoff point ti where the abortion doctor cab only remove the child if it can do so without damaging it

@Marushia Dark why does it?

How can consent be one way?

consent is a retarded concept

Both parties must consent, you're making shit up

@Chuckler That's such revoltingly Gnostic bullshit but okay

FFS ... why do babies have a right to be fed by their parents, Jack? Yes, it's one way cuz the parents chose to have the kid, the kid didn't choose its parents.

For anyone believing in a "god" ANYTHING that happens is presumably part of the plan so you are disqualified from adding comment. Sit at kids table. You can run around the wacky warehouse while we have a pint