Roe, personhood IS LITERALLY THE ENTIRE ISSUE when talking about abortion.

For real how are you tying this shit up so hard, you are making it a fucking mess @Jack of Trades

There’s an entire government devision dedicated to telling doctors what they can and can’t do.

@Marushia Dark You don't get to decide what the issue is

without abortion fetus for anti-aging cream the jews would look much uglier

you are wrong

@Scale_e sure, but yours de facto preventing a woman from exercising get rights

Sucks to be them.
Get on a bus and go to a state where it’s legal.

@Win Roe I'm not shitting anything up, your arguments just suck

@Marushia Dark so in that case if we legal make one not a person. It is fine to strip their rights

@Win Roe we cannot remove personhood if we arnt agreed on what it means to be a person

@Jack of Trades Women aren't above the law, they can't do whatever the hell they like

You're bringing in irrelevant thesis

Shim, that's literally what not being a person means

If a state deems that killing a fetus is murdering a person, and prevents their doctors from doing so, great.

We don't care about the rights of rocks, for instnace

What does it mean?

@ShimShamWhamBam The whole point of removing personhood is because it's contentious

If you want an abortion, go to a state where it’s legal.

@Win Roe I agree, I'm not suggesting they are, however there's no law that gives you the right to someone else's body, fetuses included. QED

what are youse even sperging about?

@Scale_e it shouldn't be illegal

It's late, I'd really prefer not to dig out my law dictionary -_-

Laws = Morality?

@Jack of Trades police have to order people around in certain circumstances, people are not islands we live in a society

churk cares about the rights of rocks

@Win Roe and?

@Churk am i right?

@Chuckler Depends on the law. Sometimes yes (rape, murder) sometimes no (traffic law, war on drugs)

Anyone who does not want a kid should not have one

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that is personhood a purely legal term or an agreement society, are Jews in the third Reich people if the government denies their personhood?

> churk cares about the rights of rocks

Touché

That's in accordance with the law. There isn't a law that lets you decide someone has to support another life so enforcement is irrelevant. There's nothing to enforce.

People have responsibilities to eachother, sure it's not a "right" to someone elses body, but you have to take into account how your actions affect other people

Life is not precious

the baby inside the body has a right to that body

It is in abundance

@Win Roe the only people on question are the person carrying the child and the child

if you have a baby in there you have already given up some of your rights to this "baby" thing

Personhood is a universal human concept. The right to personhood is recognized in the UDHR, for instance. So Jews would still be persons regardless of what the Nazis say. That's WHY it's a crime to kill them

The child does not have the legal right to the mother's womb, as I understand it