Message from @shadow of the sun
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@Scale_e sure, but yours de facto preventing a woman from exercising get rights
Sucks to be them.
Get on a bus and go to a state where it’s legal.
@Win Roe I'm not shitting anything up, your arguments just suck
@Marushia Dark so in that case if we legal make one not a person. It is fine to strip their rights
@Win Roe we cannot remove personhood if we arnt agreed on what it means to be a person
@Jack of Trades Women aren't above the law, they can't do whatever the hell they like
You're bringing in irrelevant thesis
Shim, that's literally what not being a person means
If a state deems that killing a fetus is murdering a person, and prevents their doctors from doing so, great.
We don't care about the rights of rocks, for instnace
What does it mean?
@ShimShamWhamBam The whole point of removing personhood is because it's contentious
If you want an abortion, go to a state where it’s legal.
@Win Roe I agree, I'm not suggesting they are, however there's no law that gives you the right to someone else's body, fetuses included. QED
what are youse even sperging about?
@Scale_e it shouldn't be illegal
It's late, I'd really prefer not to dig out my law dictionary -_-
Laws = Morality?
@Jack of Trades police have to order people around in certain circumstances, people are not islands we live in a society
churk cares about the rights of rocks
@Win Roe and?
@Chuckler Depends on the law. Sometimes yes (rape, murder) sometimes no (traffic law, war on drugs)
Anyone who does not want a kid should not have one
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that is personhood a purely legal term or an agreement society, are Jews in the third Reich people if the government denies their personhood?
> churk cares about the rights of rocks
Touché
That's in accordance with the law. There isn't a law that lets you decide someone has to support another life so enforcement is irrelevant. There's nothing to enforce.
People have responsibilities to eachother, sure it's not a "right" to someone elses body, but you have to take into account how your actions affect other people
Life is not precious
the baby inside the body has a right to that body
It is in abundance
@Win Roe the only people on question are the person carrying the child and the child
if you have a baby in there you have already given up some of your rights to this "baby" thing
Personhood is a universal human concept. The right to personhood is recognized in the UDHR, for instance. So Jews would still be persons regardless of what the Nazis say. That's WHY it's a crime to kill them
The child does not have the legal right to the mother's womb, as I understand it
squatters rights
checkmate atheist
Jack, rights and duties are correlated. It has a right to the womb the same way a baby has a right to food. It's dependent on the mother as a result of the one-way consent of the relationship
I think we can find a cutoff point ti where the abortion doctor cab only remove the child if it can do so without damaging it
@Marushia Dark why does it?
How can consent be one way?
consent is a retarded concept