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@Legitimate [OCE] probably in suggestions 👌🏻
Statistics would be cool
Morning yall
Nice stats.
Morning, yeah they are pretty powerful
I was just watching <https://youtu.be/hr1K3hWMjx4> and Jesse claims that black people don't earn their way (in terms of Uni entrance I assume), they get given it due to their being black. While it *is* true that affirmative action does allow many black persons who are not qualified to enter, there is still really smart black people. I cringe at making the 'not all' argument because I hate it myself, usually I'd assume he was implying that but for some reason it seemed like he was claiming that *no* black people get into really high colleges on merit alone. <:thinking3d:494352154748911646>
I mean, it's a bell curve, so you're always going to get some that can make it
Tell me if I'm just reading him wrong there
What is systematic racism?
Fiction
what is the fiction?
It
Every situation that a certain group likes to blame racism for has a better more reasonable explanation that usually even has stats to back it up.
What is the explanation of Systematic fiction?
The hard part about it, is that it's the truth, and a lot of people don't want to hear the truth. The chances of 'truth' fitting what is or isn't 'politically correct' at a given time as a whole is virtually zero, so if you don't veer into the politically incorrect you will never find truth.
systematic Racism*
In what context? Academic achievement? Unemployment? How they act? Their income?
What is systematic Racism?
Answer my question first, I already said it doesn't exist, now I'm asking you in which context so I can provide a counterpoint to the argument of systemic racism in that field.
Just tell me what it is
What is it?
Systemic racism is the fictional belief that inequalities between races is caused by unfair or hateful behavior, attitudes or beliefs against the 'oppressed' race by the 'oppressor'. It doesn't actually exist though.
This is on the societal scale.
All the evidence is there, but people don't want to look for it, or at it, because it isn't the result you want to see.
ok
When you look at the data, the smart blacks who are smart enough to get in on merit alone like test scores and grades are a minority. The only way to get equal representation where the blacks in positions is equal to their demographic numbers is to do affirmative action and lower the standards.
"Not all women are weak and worthless" but when you look at police departments they are being forced to do affirmative action style pushes for women.
The "not all" argument is so stupid that you really never need to point it out. In 90% of cases, the other person just didn't clarify they were mentioning the average. Only a tiny minority of people I have seen speak in absolutes.
If they actually were speaking in absolutes, they are either trolling or are very very dumb and won't be convinced of anything.
amazing
@Legitimate [OCE] The principle of charity dictates that you shouldn't critique a generalization just because "not all X do Y". And really, claiming that JLP was saying "all X do Y" is a straw man argument. But even if he *were* saying "all Blacks are underqualified", he is essentially correct. Due to Affirmative Action, all Blacks are *able* to get into schools that are too difficult for them, and we could reasonably expect reasonable people to choose the best school that accepts them. That means (nearly) 100% of Blacks are underqualified *for the best school that accepts them*. And statistics show us that Blacks actually perform much better and have much more positive career outcomes when they attend a school whose difficulty is on par with their ability. You could actually make this same complaint in reverse, that Asians are over-qualified for the best school that accepts them, which is damaging to their career outcome and to the other people whose grading curve they're destroying.
Just like with women, he makes good generalizations, always claiming not all
And not most black people & women are a certain way, but a lot of them. And as far as how many blacks behave a certain way in city areas, we can then say most
Or women in cities as well
@Sar Ah yeah for sure, I didn't consider the argument in terms of *the best school that accepts them*.
does anyone know which radio show from jesse it was where he says "It's in the air, it's everywhere! Uh ohhh, liberals you're losing!"
welcome home, bill