Message from @ManAnimal

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2019-11-19 01:49:25 UTC  

but it's a subject of great interest, since you know I live in one

2019-11-19 01:49:31 UTC  

technically

2019-11-19 01:49:34 UTC  

direct democracy = LA and NYC ruling over you

2019-11-19 01:49:54 UTC  

well on a federal level I suppose

2019-11-19 01:49:58 UTC  

if,

2019-11-19 01:50:03 UTC  

and this is a big if

2019-11-19 01:50:28 UTC  

if a direct democracy was created in America it would have to be on a local basis

2019-11-19 01:50:40 UTC  

idealy you wouldn't do it top down

2019-11-19 01:51:07 UTC  

that doesnt make sense

2019-11-19 01:51:09 UTC  

but again that creates problems

2019-11-19 01:51:31 UTC  

you can't top-down direct democracy

2019-11-19 01:51:35 UTC  

there is no top lol

2019-11-19 01:52:09 UTC  

I was thinking of a far more decentralized form then i assume you're thinking of

2019-11-19 01:52:24 UTC  

but again I dont even think it would fully work

2019-11-19 01:52:35 UTC  

just a good subject to think about imo

2019-11-19 01:57:28 UTC  

Tyranny of the Masses

2019-11-19 01:57:30 UTC  

?

2019-11-19 01:58:38 UTC  

tyranny of the majority

2019-11-19 01:58:55 UTC  

direct democracy allows the 51% to vote to piss in the 49%'s soup

2019-11-19 01:59:15 UTC  

and the gold will flow

2019-11-19 02:00:46 UTC  

well, that and if the voting was done via an automated process that everyone could audit, you'd be able to trust a slim majority. otherwise, it's within the margin of error

2019-11-19 02:01:02 UTC  

51/49 is inconclusive

2019-11-19 02:02:23 UTC  

a +/-3% margin of error is all one can realistically hope to acheive

2019-11-19 02:02:44 UTC  

who tf is becky and derek? lmao

2019-11-19 02:03:02 UTC  

Direct democracy can be bad as well though 🤔

2019-11-19 02:03:10 UTC  

In the case of BRexit I would agree with it

2019-11-19 02:03:38 UTC  

However in the case of some Goebbels type coming along and managing to propagandarise people it could be a net negative

2019-11-19 02:04:10 UTC  

agreed, in fact no one should be allowed to vote that cannot clearly describe the position of BOTH canadates

2019-11-19 02:04:35 UTC  

or the trade-offs involved in any one issue

2019-11-19 02:04:47 UTC  

Precisely my problem with people in todays democracies tbh

2019-11-19 02:05:17 UTC  

"I want leave" "do you know the position of remain" Well they want to remain" "yea ok, but why" "..." switch it to the opposite and its the same tbh

2019-11-19 02:06:05 UTC  

yeah, what does leaving entail? if BOTH sides were clear on this the vote would be more balanced

2019-11-19 02:06:19 UTC  

I genuinely don't care what peoples positions are IRL provided they can defend them, like if someone can make a good flat earth argument i'd be like "ok fair one" where as someone who says "the world is round coz we all know that" is more likely to get ridicule from me

2019-11-19 02:06:50 UTC  

lmao dissenter removed the built in proxy settings without notification

2019-11-19 02:07:16 UTC  

well, 'caring' or even 'agreeing' with one's position is irrelevant. Only that you UNDERSTAND the position the other is taking

2019-11-19 02:07:50 UTC  

Leaving for me was always about a no deal leave tbh. then we can negotiate from that position any deals we want as an independent nation (do we want tariff or tariff free deals with the EU, etc)

2019-11-19 02:08:09 UTC  

Direct democracies would only work if everyone was educated, thought critically and was intelligent enough to apply those qualities

2019-11-19 02:08:26 UTC  

Anything less isn't a real BRexit and still ties us in, not to mention leaving the EU is just the first part, there are still 3 other European institutions (such as the ECHR) that we also have to leave

2019-11-19 02:08:55 UTC  

Social media shit storms and job lynch mobs show how well that works in application

2019-11-19 02:09:09 UTC  

Not very

2019-11-19 02:09:09 UTC  

speaking as an american though, i think it was more than alittle naive to think Brexit would be executed when it required more than a single election cycle to implement