Message from @Fuksias

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2019-09-17 19:13:31 UTC  

As I told you,

2019-09-17 19:13:56 UTC  

There is no system like this proposed ANYWHERE as far as I can see it.

2019-09-17 19:14:13 UTC  

This is why I say it doesn't fit into any political models.

2019-09-17 19:14:18 UTC  

Am I right?

2019-09-17 19:20:00 UTC  

Because it isnt really ideoligical in nature, but rather a form of government. It would be a big blob on the ideological spectrum, touching all but the outer reaches of the spectrum

2019-09-17 19:20:48 UTC  

This is why I'm telling you there is still no spectrum conceived where I can fit in.

2019-09-17 19:20:55 UTC  

Am I right?

2019-09-17 19:23:09 UTC  

Well that depends on what sort of things you would vote for within your form of government.

2019-09-17 19:25:49 UTC  

If you did not vote within this government of yours, that would make you apolitical, aka defined by the current status, mostly represented by the dead centre spot in the compass

2019-09-17 19:27:05 UTC  

If you vote for strong borders that would put you further up the statist axis...

2019-09-17 19:28:07 UTC  

If you vote for more social safety nets that would make you more economically socialist.

2019-09-17 19:31:14 UTC  

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From what i can tell by this conversation alone, you have yet to think over what you would actually do once you have your preferred structure of governance.
That is what would place you as an individual on the political compass.

2019-09-17 19:31:52 UTC  

That's the thing @Fuksias it depends on CIRCUMSTANCES!

2019-09-17 19:32:06 UTC  

I do not represent a universal left or right.

2019-09-17 19:32:38 UTC  

I am no socialist, neither am I capitalist or a fervour nationalist, not in the sense you know.

2019-09-17 19:33:09 UTC  

I think this ultimately best political configuration for any people and anytime ultimately CHANGES constantly.

2019-09-17 19:33:15 UTC  

Can you understand me?

2019-09-17 19:34:06 UTC  

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Another thing to humor your mind with would be trying to overthrow your own government. _make yourself an effective monarch within the system by _any_ means.

2019-09-17 19:34:10 UTC  

In some times and for some circumstances the political right tradition and strong government is better.

2019-09-17 19:34:29 UTC  

In others-it is the left, the equality amongst the people and inclusiveness.

2019-09-17 19:34:56 UTC  

Compasses have to be thought of as baselines. You get absolutely nowhere if you think of them as relativistic

2019-09-17 19:35:04 UTC  

There is no constant best and there is no constant worse.

2019-09-17 19:35:37 UTC  

Ofc not every situation needs the same response

2019-09-17 19:35:44 UTC  

The system is designed so that it can encompass this change no matter whether it is to the left, or to the right.

2019-09-17 19:36:19 UTC  

And there is a safeguard against oligarchies and monarchies in the system.

2019-09-17 19:36:37 UTC  

People drift along on the political compass on a monthly basis, centrists are all over the place

2019-09-17 19:37:20 UTC  

It's precisely in the structure of the Triumvirate-it takes 2 out of 3 to make decisions, so any coalition with in its borders is based to be unstable in the long term.

2019-09-17 19:38:21 UTC  

This is exactly what I'm aiming at-make system that is the ultimate level of flexibility within consistency.

2019-09-17 19:38:42 UTC  

It must be on the borderline of stability to be eternal.

2019-09-17 19:39:05 UTC  

Everything trying to stabilize itself over the long term is doomed to kill its progress.

2019-09-17 19:39:31 UTC  

But if you trump up progress it eventually destroys the system that started it.

2019-09-17 19:40:04 UTC  

So the best system is actually inherently an unstable one which is constantly on the border of its stability.

2019-09-17 19:40:12 UTC  

Introduce a gun in the equation. Do not ever assume people play by the rules.
R. R. Martin put it well: in a game of thrones you win or you die.

2019-09-17 19:40:36 UTC  

Have the skill to balance on the razor's edge and you can build the perfect society

2019-09-17 19:41:04 UTC  

for only its perfection is ephemeral.

2019-09-17 19:41:12 UTC  

If you can get me?

2019-09-17 19:41:28 UTC  

@Fuksias Question is:

2019-09-17 19:41:43 UTC  

How can we make **everyone** play the game of thrones?

2019-09-17 19:43:41 UTC  

Eat the elite

2019-09-17 19:45:58 UTC  

Another point. An unstable government will by any means availabe seek its own stability. That will forever work against you.

2019-09-17 19:46:41 UTC  

This is why THE ULTIMATE PURPOSE of Absolute progressivism should be to make teh government weaker-the weaker it may be.