Message from @yordanyordanov

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2019-09-17 19:31:14 UTC  

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From what i can tell by this conversation alone, you have yet to think over what you would actually do once you have your preferred structure of governance.
That is what would place you as an individual on the political compass.

2019-09-17 19:31:52 UTC  

That's the thing @Fuksias it depends on CIRCUMSTANCES!

2019-09-17 19:32:06 UTC  

I do not represent a universal left or right.

2019-09-17 19:32:38 UTC  

I am no socialist, neither am I capitalist or a fervour nationalist, not in the sense you know.

2019-09-17 19:33:09 UTC  

I think this ultimately best political configuration for any people and anytime ultimately CHANGES constantly.

2019-09-17 19:33:15 UTC  

Can you understand me?

2019-09-17 19:34:06 UTC  

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Another thing to humor your mind with would be trying to overthrow your own government. _make yourself an effective monarch within the system by _any_ means.

2019-09-17 19:34:10 UTC  

In some times and for some circumstances the political right tradition and strong government is better.

2019-09-17 19:34:29 UTC  

In others-it is the left, the equality amongst the people and inclusiveness.

2019-09-17 19:34:56 UTC  

Compasses have to be thought of as baselines. You get absolutely nowhere if you think of them as relativistic

2019-09-17 19:35:04 UTC  

There is no constant best and there is no constant worse.

2019-09-17 19:35:37 UTC  

Ofc not every situation needs the same response

2019-09-17 19:35:44 UTC  

The system is designed so that it can encompass this change no matter whether it is to the left, or to the right.

2019-09-17 19:36:19 UTC  

And there is a safeguard against oligarchies and monarchies in the system.

2019-09-17 19:36:37 UTC  

People drift along on the political compass on a monthly basis, centrists are all over the place

2019-09-17 19:37:20 UTC  

It's precisely in the structure of the Triumvirate-it takes 2 out of 3 to make decisions, so any coalition with in its borders is based to be unstable in the long term.

2019-09-17 19:38:21 UTC  

This is exactly what I'm aiming at-make system that is the ultimate level of flexibility within consistency.

2019-09-17 19:38:42 UTC  

It must be on the borderline of stability to be eternal.

2019-09-17 19:39:05 UTC  

Everything trying to stabilize itself over the long term is doomed to kill its progress.

2019-09-17 19:39:31 UTC  

But if you trump up progress it eventually destroys the system that started it.

2019-09-17 19:40:04 UTC  

So the best system is actually inherently an unstable one which is constantly on the border of its stability.

2019-09-17 19:40:12 UTC  

Introduce a gun in the equation. Do not ever assume people play by the rules.
R. R. Martin put it well: in a game of thrones you win or you die.

2019-09-17 19:40:36 UTC  

Have the skill to balance on the razor's edge and you can build the perfect society

2019-09-17 19:41:04 UTC  

for only its perfection is ephemeral.

2019-09-17 19:41:12 UTC  

If you can get me?

2019-09-17 19:41:28 UTC  

@Fuksias Question is:

2019-09-17 19:41:43 UTC  

How can we make **everyone** play the game of thrones?

2019-09-17 19:43:41 UTC  

Eat the elite

2019-09-17 19:45:58 UTC  

Another point. An unstable government will by any means availabe seek its own stability. That will forever work against you.

2019-09-17 19:46:41 UTC  

This is why THE ULTIMATE PURPOSE of Absolute progressivism should be to make teh government weaker-the weaker it may be.

2019-09-17 19:46:59 UTC  

This is why we should take away the military and the economy out of its hands.

2019-09-17 19:47:15 UTC  

Leave it as pure judiciary-even take away the ability to make laws.

2019-09-17 19:48:17 UTC  

And make it susceptible to many elections on many levels-both controlled by trained officials and ones controlled by the general populace.

2019-09-17 19:49:10 UTC  

By pitting the economy and the military against the government ones get precisely this-taking away its power in order to give it to others.

2019-09-17 19:49:28 UTC  

The best government possible will be one of pure judiciary.

2019-09-17 19:49:49 UTC  

It's THE ONLY THING worth for a government to stand by.

2019-09-17 19:50:12 UTC  

Keep up the law of the land amongst the citizens of the land.

2019-09-17 19:50:21 UTC  

Best government possible!

2019-09-17 19:59:02 UTC  

You do realise the entire system rests on 3 people?
Three watchdogs.
Or rather a career militarist, a master of propaganda, and a corporate chill.
I wouldnt bet money on it lasting.
You dont need to follow the laws you enforce. You should, but thats besides the point.
The military commander could make it a dictatorship if he wanted to, the corporate guy could buy the military to make it a dictatorship, or corporate fascism or whatever they want...

2019-09-17 20:00:51 UTC  

The corporate and the propaganda man could fire the head of military until they get one that will obey them...

2019-09-17 20:01:16 UTC  

But here is the beauty of it-they can NOT NEGOTIATE WHO WOULD TAKE IT!