Message from @yordanyordanov

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2019-09-17 20:36:06 UTC  

Can you name an example?

2019-09-17 20:36:15 UTC  

Thou, it's not actually a death spiral but rather the ideas of "eternal laws" or rules or constitution.

2019-09-17 20:36:40 UTC  

@ETBrooD Funny, almost all societies with long history are.

2019-09-17 20:36:47 UTC  

Especially the ancient ones.

2019-09-17 20:37:21 UTC  

Take ANY culture with millennia of history and you would see the pattern right there.

2019-09-17 20:37:28 UTC  

They had a period of boom.

2019-09-17 20:37:32 UTC  

What a great argument

2019-09-17 20:37:36 UTC  

Name a country and a period

2019-09-17 20:37:55 UTC  

They established a culture that was stable through tiem and then they got into a stagnation.

2019-09-17 20:38:02 UTC  

If there were so many you should be able to come up with one example

2019-09-17 20:38:04 UTC  

Classical example-Rome.

2019-09-17 20:38:24 UTC  

Rome wasn't stable lol

2019-09-17 20:38:32 UTC  

They had their boom-they managed to develop advanced social norms and technology for the time.

2019-09-17 20:39:01 UTC  

It paid out very well into the conquest of others and infrastructure no one could have matched at the time.

2019-09-17 20:39:15 UTC  

What time period during Ancient Rome are you talking about?

2019-09-17 20:39:22 UTC  

The period when they experienced stagnation?

2019-09-17 20:39:27 UTC  

Due to stability

2019-09-17 20:40:14 UTC  

But then, they got into their peaks, they stopped innovating, their social norms degraded, there was a time of diminishing returns in economy and technology and eventually the empire collapsed.

2019-09-17 20:40:27 UTC  

@ETBrooD Have you ever heard of Pax Romana?

2019-09-17 20:40:38 UTC  

Of course I have

2019-09-17 20:41:16 UTC  

I particularly would like to refer to the period of the late 1st century A.D. till the late 3rd century A.D..

2019-09-17 20:41:27 UTC  

They peaked but stopped innovating.

2019-09-17 20:41:34 UTC  

Why should they had to?

2019-09-17 20:41:58 UTC  

Maybe they stopped innovating because they reached their peak, that's kind of implied

2019-09-17 20:42:02 UTC  

They had everything already-big empire, plenty of land and slaves and developed trade network.

2019-09-17 20:42:18 UTC  

Stagnation.

2019-09-17 20:42:28 UTC  

That's not stagnation rofl

2019-09-17 20:42:59 UTC  

And as the result of the stagnation eventually they had to scale down which they couldn't and then, they faced collapse.

2019-09-17 20:43:17 UTC  

If we use this reasoning, then computer science is currently "stagnating", too

2019-09-17 20:43:21 UTC  

@ETBrooD It's kind of stagnation-an ideological one.

2019-09-17 20:43:32 UTC  

That's nonsense

2019-09-17 20:43:42 UTC  

If you reach your peak, you're not stagnating, you simply reached your peak

2019-09-17 20:44:01 UTC  

Thou, it translated into a more profound change.

2019-09-17 20:44:16 UTC  

Stagnating is when you *could* get further with some effort, but you don't

2019-09-17 20:44:43 UTC  

For example computer science has slowed down, contrary to old predictions

2019-09-17 20:44:55 UTC  

That's not stagnation, that's just because we reached certain limits

2019-09-17 20:45:21 UTC  

So the argument that "reaching your peak" is stagnation is already false

2019-09-17 20:47:39 UTC  

Reaching a peak is stagnation.

2019-09-17 20:47:49 UTC  

"to stop developing, growing, progressing, or advancing"

2019-09-17 20:47:57 UTC  

Idiot.