Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-09-17 20:39:15 UTC  

What time period during Ancient Rome are you talking about?

2019-09-17 20:39:22 UTC  

The period when they experienced stagnation?

2019-09-17 20:39:27 UTC  

Due to stability

2019-09-17 20:40:14 UTC  

But then, they got into their peaks, they stopped innovating, their social norms degraded, there was a time of diminishing returns in economy and technology and eventually the empire collapsed.

2019-09-17 20:40:27 UTC  

@ETBrooD Have you ever heard of Pax Romana?

2019-09-17 20:40:38 UTC  

Of course I have

2019-09-17 20:41:16 UTC  

I particularly would like to refer to the period of the late 1st century A.D. till the late 3rd century A.D..

2019-09-17 20:41:27 UTC  

They peaked but stopped innovating.

2019-09-17 20:41:34 UTC  

Why should they had to?

2019-09-17 20:41:58 UTC  

Maybe they stopped innovating because they reached their peak, that's kind of implied

2019-09-17 20:42:02 UTC  

They had everything already-big empire, plenty of land and slaves and developed trade network.

2019-09-17 20:42:18 UTC  

Stagnation.

2019-09-17 20:42:28 UTC  

That's not stagnation rofl

2019-09-17 20:42:59 UTC  

And as the result of the stagnation eventually they had to scale down which they couldn't and then, they faced collapse.

2019-09-17 20:43:17 UTC  

If we use this reasoning, then computer science is currently "stagnating", too

2019-09-17 20:43:21 UTC  

@ETBrooD It's kind of stagnation-an ideological one.

2019-09-17 20:43:32 UTC  

That's nonsense

2019-09-17 20:43:42 UTC  

If you reach your peak, you're not stagnating, you simply reached your peak

2019-09-17 20:44:01 UTC  

Thou, it translated into a more profound change.

2019-09-17 20:44:16 UTC  

Stagnating is when you *could* get further with some effort, but you don't

2019-09-17 20:44:43 UTC  

For example computer science has slowed down, contrary to old predictions

2019-09-17 20:44:55 UTC  

That's not stagnation, that's just because we reached certain limits

2019-09-17 20:45:21 UTC  

So the argument that "reaching your peak" is stagnation is already false

2019-09-17 20:47:39 UTC  

Reaching a peak is stagnation.

2019-09-17 20:47:49 UTC  

"to stop developing, growing, progressing, or advancing"

2019-09-17 20:47:57 UTC  

Idiot.

2019-09-17 20:48:22 UTC  

rofl

2019-09-17 20:48:36 UTC  

Reaching a peak does not equate to stagnation

2019-09-17 20:48:46 UTC  

Yes, it is.

2019-09-17 20:48:49 UTC  

No it does not

2019-09-17 20:49:02 UTC  

Reaching your peak is a fucking stagnation.

2019-09-17 20:49:07 UTC  

No it isn't

2019-09-17 20:49:13 UTC  

And do you know how it does happens?

2019-09-17 20:49:28 UTC  

I'm sure you'll give a great historic example

2019-09-17 20:49:58 UTC  

It happenes when you get so stable you have the choice to "dug in" and increase your stability, or, to risk what you already have to get more.

2019-09-17 20:50:07 UTC  

Yes, many of them

2019-09-17 20:50:14 UTC  

Just one

2019-09-17 20:50:30 UTC  

The Chinese empire, medieval India, the Arabs and the Mongolians.

2019-09-17 20:50:39 UTC  

Yawn, again a broad claim

2019-09-17 20:50:44 UTC  

Be more specific so we can test your claim