I t was nice to have an aussie perspective on this.

big if true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-pvJ00E8ZE&t=1s

If anyone has any publicly accessible links about the interview, please post them.

I can't find anything yet.

that vid made me loose some brain cells, especially the ending<:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Whatever you say, climate forcing denier.

I love being climate forced tbh

Personally I believe that the earth goes through a curve of both hot and cold seasons. As per the ice age 10,000 years ago. Humanities industrialisation hasn't helped and has pushed the next ice age closer than it would have naturally been but we aren't purely to blame. As the ice caps melt and rainfall increases due to the lower salinity levels of the oceans I believe that over time this will lead to a lowering in global temperature, nothing major but the same as the gradual increase in temperatures that we're seeing at the moment the opposite will also hold true. Obviously there will be discrepencies due to the amount of heat the population of the world puts out through food/energy and manufacturing processes.

I could be 100% wrong but I just feel like we're excerbating a natural issue.

A couple thousand years ago, we have a drought.
Shaman says it’s because we didn’t pray at the worshipping stone enough.
Shaman says he knows more than me.
I’ll take Shaman advice. I’ll go to worshipping stone.
I don’t want to go against what the shaman says. I don’t want to be a denier.

A couple hundred years ago we have little ice age.
Priest says it’s because we didn’t go to church enough.
Priest says he knows more than me.
I’ll take priests advice. I’ll go to church.
I don’t want to go against what the priest says. I don’t want to be a denier.

Today the climate is changing.
Scientist says it’s because we are producing too much carbon.
Scientist says he knows more than me.
I’ll take the scientists advice. I’ll stop producing carbon.
I don’t want to go against what the scientist says. I don’t want to be a denier.

this needs to be f'n pinned

Well, big difference between zero evidence and some evidence

Not exactly what I'd call a good metaphor or whatever, but certainlyinteresting food for thought

the scientists have far better tools for investigating this sort of phenomenon, i think

You don’t find it odd that the solution to literally every problem is “Hey, a bit of socialism will fix that right up.”?

No, because they're socialists. And they think the answer to everything is more socialism

Snark aside, I am willing to concede that they know more about what’s going on than I do. And the climate is slowly changing. Of course it is. It always is.

...but didn’t they say that polar bears would be extinct by now? (Their numbers are growing)
...And that both ice caps would be shrinking? (Antarctica is growing)
...And that low lying coastal areas would be under a foot of water by now? (They aren’t)
...And that Northern Scotland would have snow free winters? (Record snow fall)
We’ve had floods where they’ve said there would be droughts.
We’ve had bumper crops where they said there would be famines.
Again. They say the climate is changing.
Ok.
They say it’s because of carbon we’re producing.
Ok.
...they’ve gotten a lot wrong already.

That's why I usually avoid the climate debate

Too many idiots weighing in already

It just grinds my gears how when you bring this stuff up in public, you get the same looks that people give flat earthers.

I'll pick a side when they make up their mind

People are easily scared.

People are especially scared of the unknown.

The CO2 issue is an invisible threat.

Therefore people fear it more than anything else.

And so it is easy to brainwash them.

It’s like, damn motherfucker, I’m not denying science, I’m quoting the scientist that just disproved your scientist.

It was the same thing with the nuclear threat.

It's the safest, cleanest energy source. Yet people decided to end it. Look at Germany, their fear has resulted in stopping all their nuclear plants.

Fear, before all other things, drives politics.

Both good and bad people use fear to justify their actions.

People forget that most countries don't do construction as janky as Russia

That's not actually the issue.

the mainstream solutions to climate change aren't socialist

The real issue is that there's a large scale misinformation campaign happening about these things.

Fear can be tackled with knowledge.

Thus people need to be misinformed to stay fearful.

For nuclear, allot of people's fears are still rooted in Chernobyl

There's another problem

Most people don't know what socialism means, and neither do they know what it is in reality.

I've been trying to inform

People easily ask for things when they don't know what those things really are.