Message from @Shai'tan

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2019-10-16 17:50:11 UTC  

It's literally called the Constitution Act.

2019-10-16 17:50:24 UTC  

the name of the thing is not the thing itself

2019-10-16 17:50:44 UTC  

else the Democratic republic of Korea would be a very different place.

2019-10-16 17:54:37 UTC  

I don't think the problem is necessarily in the constitution of Canada per sey, but the implementation of the branches of government is not ideal.

Executive and Legislative branches in Canada are the same house, and their power is almost entirely held in the PMO now.

2019-10-16 17:55:11 UTC  

Maybe this is what you are referring to

2019-10-16 17:55:29 UTC  

how the US has clear separations of power between the 3 branches, and they all check and balance each other.

2019-10-16 17:55:48 UTC  

Doesn't help that our Judiciary is also appointed by the house/pmo etc..

2019-10-16 17:56:48 UTC  

I do quite like the fair representation of only 2 senators per state in the US. not a proportional rep based on population.

2019-10-16 17:59:08 UTC  

actually no. The separation of powers is very important. But in the United states their constitution acts as a limit on governmental power, We have no such restriction. The closest we get is the charter of rights and freedoms. and our Constitution act, only outlines who, how and what our governmental system is and the powers in it. there is no "you cannot ever" in it. only "you must, you can".

2019-10-16 17:59:18 UTC  

Also that senators are elected.. whereas ours are appointed, for life.

2019-10-16 17:59:50 UTC  

Ahh, yes I see your point. That is true.

2019-10-16 18:02:31 UTC  

I pipe dream of a PPC takeover, but I doubt it will happen. I fear things will need to get much worse before something like that happens.

2019-10-16 18:02:51 UTC  

Brexit is a good example of how bad things may get

2019-10-16 18:03:01 UTC  

before people start paying attention.

2019-10-16 18:03:37 UTC  

It does not help our system is almost designed to squash decentralized political movements.

2019-10-16 18:04:16 UTC  

I can't even vote for them now. My local candidate dropped out. Claimed that everyone they talked to would rather employ strategic voting to oust trudeau. Which is stupid, since we already were majority NDP in this riding.

2019-10-16 18:05:08 UTC  

I think you're right, it is 'almost' designed that way.

2019-10-16 18:05:58 UTC  

In federal politics, out here in BC, most of us don't care.. since we don't have the population to matter. Even when they talk about the WEST in canada, they only mean Alberta/Sask/Manitoba.. nobody in Ottawa gives a damn about BC 😛

2019-10-16 18:07:25 UTC  

aside: it's nice to have a place to discuss CA Politics.. people get so... weird when you try to talk about it.

2019-10-16 18:09:35 UTC  

Well we are the unwanted love child of British Colonialism and American Cultural Imperialisms.

2019-10-16 18:10:11 UTC  

Literally Satan to the rest of the Anglo sphere

2019-10-16 18:10:36 UTC  

(they just don't think of us like that because of all the moose and igloos)

2019-10-16 18:10:47 UTC  

🤣

2019-10-16 18:11:44 UTC  

Canadian stereotype jokes are the best, I always get a laugh out of them.

2019-10-16 18:12:09 UTC  

i think most people get a laugh out of their stereotypes... just not leftists 😛

2019-10-16 18:12:36 UTC  

... tell me aboot it eh?

2019-10-16 18:13:40 UTC  

I've got some moose on the fire, the igloo is warm and my toque is dry. So i'm ready to listen to what you have to say. I even have some maple syrup on ice, oh shoot sorry, I should have asked, did you want some?

2019-10-16 18:13:55 UTC  

🤣

2019-10-16 18:15:12 UTC  

Canadians, the second you give them a moment to talk politics, the gripe, then devolve rapidly into polite small talk and Canadian Stereotype jokes.

2019-10-16 18:15:44 UTC  

haha, or they have very strong opinions ..strong enough to write a letter.

2019-10-16 18:17:17 UTC  

I think the damaging thing to the PPC, is the climate change point. If they defer the responsibility to provinces, they should do just that. Max sticking to his (accurate) talking point of how there is no climate crisis was... a mistake IMO.

2019-10-16 18:18:07 UTC  

Arguing against *them* that they're wrong is not effective.

2019-10-16 18:21:15 UTC  

the issue is more how the crowd reads it, and in Canada that's gonna be poorly. He is right that "the end of the world" is not coming in the next 12 years or whatever it is this time. not to mention of Canada produced 0 Greenhouse gasses (not even net 0 just none at all) that's just a global decrease of 3% you know who make up ~60% of all greenhouse gas emictions? China, the US and India. 3 countries we have absolutely 0 control over

2019-10-16 18:21:26 UTC  

I mean, the us system was not designed to be nearly as centralized or democratic as it is now

2019-10-16 18:22:01 UTC  

what are we supposed to do exactly on this issue?

2019-10-16 18:22:04 UTC  

it was designed to be as decentralized as possible, but that slowly erroded over time

2019-10-16 18:22:22 UTC  

well, the 12 year thing is bullshit

2019-10-16 18:22:35 UTC  

polarized too, it was never intended to be a 2 party system either.

2019-10-16 18:22:40 UTC  

so is most of the hysteria regarding climate change

2019-10-16 18:22:58 UTC  

actualy if you read the anti federalist papers the two party thing was predicted

2019-10-16 18:23:20 UTC  

predictable, certainly. but not by design.