Message from @Mooncrest

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2019-09-30 19:51:04 UTC  

But ALA (plant-omega 3) helps to balance out the bad PUFAs if you're eating flax, chia seeds ect.

2019-09-30 19:51:10 UTC  

The amount of plant material you also have to consume to make up the deficient is so large it isnt realistic both to eat nor produce for every individual.

2019-09-30 19:51:55 UTC  

Omega 3s are good regardless of source. Van get them from fish as well. Not fish oil pills though those are again, not complete.

2019-09-30 19:52:07 UTC  

But because of entropy there's significant energy loss focusing it down to cattle. We spend like 80% of our grains on feeding livestock. And again, i dont advocate for the environment

2019-09-30 19:52:44 UTC  

And saturated fat is generally more inflammatory than PUFA, though through a different mechanism.

2019-09-30 19:52:51 UTC  

I also advocate we don't feed the world but we do anyway and have a lot more lives than our countrymen at stake that a plant based dietary economy would genocide untold numbers of people.

2019-09-30 19:53:28 UTC  

Protein is also needed for muscle development and brain growth during child years and well through adolescence.

2019-09-30 19:53:49 UTC  

Animal proteins provide a lot of needed fat for those tissues.

2019-09-30 19:55:00 UTC  

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1516-31802017000200157

>Consumption of saturated fatty acids (SFAs) was related to postprandial upregulation of genes associated with pro-inflammatory pathways in peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs), in comparison with monounsaturated fatty acid (MUFA) or polyunsaturated fatty acid (PUFA) intake. In addition, acute intake of a high-SFA meal also induced a postprandial pro-inflammatory response for several inflammatory genes in subcutaneous adipose tissue. Both high-MUFA and high-PUFA diets showed anti-inflammatory profiles, or at least a less pronounced pro-inflammatory response than did SFA consumption

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27621193/

>The HPA diet resulted in increased brain activation in the basal ganglia compared to the HOA diet as well as **increased secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines.**

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1140705/

>High intake of saturated fat doubled the risk of Alzheimer's disease, and even moderate intake of trans fat increased the risk by 2 to 3 times.[20] By contrast, higher intake of both polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats was associated with lower risk of developing Alzheimer's disease.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29701155/

>A total of 8630 participants and 633 cases from four independent prospective cohort studies were included in the present meta-analysis. A higher dietary saturated fat intake was significantly associated with an increased risk of 39% and 105% for AD (RR: 1.39; 95% CI: 1.00, 1.94) and dementia (RR: 2.05; 95% CI: 1.06, 3.98), respectively. Dose-response analysis indicated a 4 g/day increment of saturated fat intake was related to 15% higher risk of AD (RR: 1.15; 95% CI: 1.01, 1.31). However, there was no significant association found between dietary intake of total, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated fat and AD or dementia risk.

2019-09-30 19:56:43 UTC  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3520521/

>12%-SF consumption leads to heavier body weights, larger adipocyte size, and greater fat mass than any other diet

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6448040/

>Increased saturated FFAs, observed in obesity and high fat intake models, have an intrinsic pro-inflammatory potential that impacts important cell functions. Fatty acids may activate Toll-like receptor 4 (TLR4) signaling in adipocytes and macrophages and induce inflammatory signaling

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/79/6/969/4690257

>Thus, the results from our study indicate that, in addition to their hypercholesterolemic effects, trans **and saturated fatty acids** exacerbate the risk of cardiovascular disease as a result of their effects on adhesion molecules.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15774905/

> High SFA caused deterioration in FMD compared with high PUFA, MUFA, or CARB diets. Inflammatory responses may also be increased on this diet

2019-09-30 19:57:06 UTC  

sorry lol dont mean to spam thats just my copypasta

2019-09-30 19:57:07 UTC  

after reading a few lines of this your opinion on saturated fat is throw the babe out with the bath water

2019-09-30 19:57:49 UTC  

Exercise is far more impact in prevention of Alzheimer's than diet and one would expect a dieter higher in saturated or trans fats (which is a bad fat regardless amd weighs the results) means that those studied may not have been co trolled for exercise

2019-09-30 19:58:13 UTC  

high is used atleasst 5 times in this copy pasta

2019-09-30 19:58:18 UTC  

I meant to finish that, fatter diets and people ewuals less physical activity

2019-09-30 19:58:21 UTC  

almost as if to say excess

2019-09-30 19:58:40 UTC  

I don't think exercise is going to confound that data. Exercise is important, but diet has a much steeper effect on health.

2019-09-30 19:58:57 UTC  

Not when you're talking about cognitive diseases

2019-09-30 19:58:59 UTC  

but your agruing for none and using an extreme to argue your case for you

2019-09-30 19:59:26 UTC  

Isn't it also interesting how Nigerians, who have some of the highest incidence of the APOE4 (alzheimers-promoting) gene among their population have some of the lowest rates of Alzheimer's in the world (they eat mostly a low-fat plant-based diet). Many physicians have suggested the pathology of Alzheimer's and Vascular dementia to be similar, and even Dr. Alzheimer himself noted significant atheroschlerotic changes within the vascular system of the brain in his first patient.

2019-09-30 19:59:43 UTC  

And APOE4 is the primary cholesterol carrier in the brain

2019-09-30 20:00:33 UTC  

But a point I made awhile ago was that you have to take the individual into account. Perhaps there are individuals whose work and lifestyle makes the plant focused or dominant diet more beneficial due to their nutrition profiles, daily requirements, physical activities, and genetic metabolic disposition could seriously make eatimg meat bad news or overly burdensome

2019-09-30 20:01:03 UTC  

Well yeah

2019-09-30 20:01:05 UTC  

So while I disagree plant based will ever be optimum for human society I will not say it isn't a possible option for those whom it suits

2019-09-30 20:01:42 UTC  

Because juat developmentally you are going to be comitting child avuse via starvikg of nutrition during developing spurts

2019-09-30 20:01:51 UTC  

At least that is a personal take

2019-09-30 20:02:12 UTC  

Phone is dying hard might take a sec to set up laptop

2019-09-30 20:02:14 UTC  

I mean sure

2019-09-30 20:02:30 UTC  

maybe you could argue during your growth spurts it can help to have the added igf1 from eggs and meat

2019-09-30 20:02:51 UTC  

but I think its a performance vs longevity thing

2019-09-30 20:02:55 UTC  

everythings a tradeoff

2019-09-30 20:04:16 UTC  

I hate andcdotes, but when I went plant based, I dropped 50 lbs back into the normal weight range, my blood pressure went from 140/90 to 100/60, my hemmeroids went away, i started having regular bowel movements again, and many of my aliments lessened or went away

2019-09-30 20:04:55 UTC  

how much exercise have you inteduced to your life as an additive

2019-09-30 20:05:03 UTC  

introduced*

2019-09-30 20:05:08 UTC  

None I'm sedentary because of a heart condition

2019-09-30 20:05:17 UTC  

so that pretty much stayed the same

2019-09-30 20:05:49 UTC  

you should try and do something physical

2019-09-30 20:06:02 UTC  

I mean I do light exercise but I cant really push myself

2019-09-30 20:06:17 UTC  

But overall I feel much better now than I had before

2019-09-30 20:06:59 UTC  

exercise is just as important to vitality as diet....

2019-09-30 20:07:17 UTC  

I'm telling you I literally can't exercise lol