Message from @Fuksias

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2019-10-04 22:29:50 UTC  

DOD

2019-10-04 22:29:58 UTC  

DHS etc

2019-10-04 22:29:59 UTC  

Just make divorce illegal and the solve itself

2019-10-04 22:30:14 UTC  

That is somehow worse than what I suggested

2019-10-04 22:30:18 UTC  

Good job

2019-10-04 22:30:20 UTC  

Id like to see the fuckery this could cause in a corrupt government

2019-10-04 22:30:42 UTC  

Libertarians are not a monolith

2019-10-04 22:30:45 UTC  

If anything

2019-10-04 22:30:54 UTC  

Really? You don't think the source of crack whores is broken families that divorce for selfish reasons? Because they were given divorce as a safety net so they could marry for selfish reasons?

2019-10-04 22:31:00 UTC  

Some libertarians are examples of why certain peopme shouldnt breed

2019-10-04 22:31:10 UTC  

Pleasure-seeking and selfishness is whats leads people to drugs

2019-10-04 22:31:25 UTC  

You are ignoring the source of the problem

2019-10-04 22:31:33 UTC  

So you want to make divorce illegal?

2019-10-04 22:31:52 UTC  

Pleasure seeking isnt the only reason people marry the wrong person

2019-10-04 22:31:57 UTC  

Some people are young

2019-10-04 22:32:02 UTC  

Some people drift apart

2019-10-04 22:32:07 UTC  

Yeah, people marry rich guys so they can divorce them and take their loot.

2019-10-04 22:32:14 UTC  

Some people become alcohol addicted wife beaters

2019-10-04 22:32:16 UTC  

I'm just not comfortable giving the state power to intercede in what is arguably one of if not the most personal and sovereign actions in human existence

2019-10-04 22:32:16 UTC  

Divorce is illegal, people marry for real reasons again

2019-10-04 22:32:50 UTC  

Making divorce illegal in this day and age would simply cause people to not marry

2019-10-04 22:33:11 UTC  

same reason anti-abortion crusaders are honestly anti-liberty

2019-10-04 22:33:29 UTC  

Because how dare you not want to murder children?

2019-10-04 22:33:41 UTC  

they want the state to step in and make a decision that ultimately isn't theirs to make

2019-10-04 22:33:43 UTC  

simple as that

2019-10-04 22:34:03 UTC  

The thing that used to be illegal/frowned upon in this system was childbirth outside of marriage.
Aka combining the two of your ideas

2019-10-04 22:34:04 UTC  

doesn't matter a fuck if you or I don't like it, its not the business of the state

2019-10-04 22:34:07 UTC  

If you want to make sure that only responsible people have kids, the best way to do that is to make marriage mean something and actually be binding rather than some pump and dump on your taxes

2019-10-04 22:34:23 UTC  

Catching murderers isn't the business of the police?

2019-10-04 22:35:05 UTC  

I don't think giving marriage "meaning" will make responsible people have kids.

2019-10-04 22:35:06 UTC  

Except you cant deprive someone of life

2019-10-04 22:35:19 UTC  

Whether you like it or not an unborn child is a someone

2019-10-04 22:35:29 UTC  

Basic biology states that is a human life

2019-10-04 22:36:27 UTC  

You have to consider why the people we all deem fit to have and raise children aren't doing it. Yes I think some of that has to do with the shit show of marriage but typically those high tier people put off making families because they want to have a certain level of success before they bring a child into the world. That can take time and that breeding strategy doesn't produce many offsprings. The flip side is people who don't care will breed like crazy out breeding those ideal parents who are being responsible.

2019-10-04 22:36:53 UTC  

They are taught to value money over family

2019-10-04 22:36:56 UTC  

I'm not really sure how to fix that though. Maybe offering incentives to successful people to start familiars sooner and have larger ones?

2019-10-04 22:37:07 UTC  

WHich is precisely what no-fault divorce has done

2019-10-04 22:37:07 UTC  

I don't think that's it exactly.

2019-10-04 22:37:15 UTC  

It's taught people that money matters more than family

2019-10-04 22:37:58 UTC  

How on earth has no-fault divorce planted that mindset? If anything it just means removes accountability from marriage. I doubt that has anything to do with why smarter couples on average have fewer children later in life.

2019-10-04 22:38:13 UTC  

See requiring a certain income and mental state would help solve that to some degree