Message from @Wayward Lone

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2019-10-10 18:21:35 UTC  

oh yeah, how's that AOC/Ted Cruz lobbyist regulation going?

2019-10-10 18:21:35 UTC  

Not really. You just need to add some limits on it @W1NT3R1SC0MING

2019-10-10 18:21:41 UTC  

Lobbying is a legitimate thing

2019-10-10 18:21:42 UTC  

The Executive was definitely muted with the establishment of merit based civil servant system. So instead of everyone being subject to political changes only the more senior levels can be replaced willy nilly.

2019-10-10 18:21:42 UTC  

and should be

2019-10-10 18:21:51 UTC  

Money isn't the problem at all

2019-10-10 18:22:02 UTC  

Just adopt UK policy and make everything public

2019-10-10 18:22:05 UTC  

It's that lobbying is profitable

2019-10-10 18:22:11 UTC  

Lobbying is by definition competing against the will of the electorate with money

2019-10-10 18:22:15 UTC  

Make it easy for the news to rail into people for the money they recieve

2019-10-10 18:22:24 UTC  

If it's not declared, it's illegal

2019-10-10 18:22:24 UTC  

If civil servants opposed the Administrations goals objectively they should be fired.

2019-10-10 18:22:25 UTC  

Simple as.

2019-10-10 18:22:55 UTC  

the issue is the people writing the campaign finance laws and tax codes are also being paid off to put in the loopholes

2019-10-10 18:22:59 UTC  

If they are doing their job and that in itself opposes the administration then that sounds like a whistleblower in the making.

2019-10-10 18:23:09 UTC  

it all needs to go to ensure the will of the electorate is their only concern

2019-10-10 18:23:16 UTC  

Just forcing people to make it all public will get around that

2019-10-10 18:23:26 UTC  

They literally pay money to achieve what they can't with votes or winning arguments. its not legitimate.

2019-10-10 18:23:31 UTC  

Giving any kind of item or money to a politician must be declared

2019-10-10 18:23:58 UTC  

The merit system created a new aristocracy and as we've seen recently from the Russia investigation it hasn't matured well.

2019-10-10 18:24:21 UTC  

Love British politics. I get the feeling during a heated debate the Queen would rush into the room and start beating people with her mace as commentators scream from the outer seats.

2019-10-10 18:24:29 UTC  

youre missing the point. even if they do that, the people who write the laws are being paid off to begin with. even if they force people to make it public, they will find a way around that to continue donating large sums behind closed doors

2019-10-10 18:24:45 UTC  

Than that will be illegal

2019-10-10 18:24:50 UTC  

And when found means the end of your career

2019-10-10 18:24:51 UTC  

Like in the UK

2019-10-10 18:24:55 UTC  

loopholes are not illegal

2019-10-10 18:24:57 UTC  

A lot of legislation is written by special interests

2019-10-10 18:24:59 UTC  

they are loopholes

2019-10-10 18:25:14 UTC  

It even gets submitted unedited in the states as well as the Congress

2019-10-10 18:25:17 UTC  

What loophole can be made which forces all income to be declared? ...

2019-10-10 18:25:24 UTC  

offshoring

2019-10-10 18:25:25 UTC  

PACS

2019-10-10 18:25:26 UTC  

the current tax code was written by goldman sachs executives for fucks sake

2019-10-10 18:25:28 UTC  

shell companies

2019-10-10 18:25:32 UTC  

>Pacs

2019-10-10 18:25:34 UTC  

The fuck is that?

2019-10-10 18:25:45 UTC  

political action committee

2019-10-10 18:25:47 UTC  

And when those are found, as they will be.. That means the end of your career

2019-10-10 18:25:49 UTC  

Like in the UK..

2019-10-10 18:25:58 UTC  

I say just charge everyone a tax figure to live in the US adjusted by your income.

2019-10-10 18:26:00 UTC  

The UK doesn't have rampant lobbying issues like the USA