it all needs to go to ensure the will of the electorate is their only concern

Just forcing people to make it all public will get around that

They literally pay money to achieve what they can't with votes or winning arguments. its not legitimate.

Giving any kind of item or money to a politician must be declared

The merit system created a new aristocracy and as we've seen recently from the Russia investigation it hasn't matured well.

Love British politics. I get the feeling during a heated debate the Queen would rush into the room and start beating people with her mace as commentators scream from the outer seats.

youre missing the point. even if they do that, the people who write the laws are being paid off to begin with. even if they force people to make it public, they will find a way around that to continue donating large sums behind closed doors

Than that will be illegal

And when found means the end of your career

Like in the UK

loopholes are not illegal

A lot of legislation is written by special interests

they are loopholes

It even gets submitted unedited in the states as well as the Congress

What loophole can be made which forces all income to be declared? ...

offshoring

PACS

the current tax code was written by goldman sachs executives for fucks sake

shell companies

>Pacs

The fuck is that?

political action committee

And when those are found, as they will be.. That means the end of your career

Like in the UK..

I say just charge everyone a tax figure to live in the US adjusted by your income.

The UK doesn't have rampant lobbying issues like the USA

They have lobbying, but it's public.

Political Action Commitee (translation, high-volume lobbying firm)

Ahh

im fine with lobbying but there shouldnt be money involved

wat

Well money is the only way lobbying can be done really

i should clarify

Would we lobby with vbucks

lobbying is money, the fuck are you on about?

money shouldnt be going to the politicians from companies.

Why not?

if you mean just politically oriented gatherings of like minded people that's already guaranteed by the constitution

if private individuals want to donate up to a certain amount thats all kosher

and if companies want to hire people to go to political gatherings to talk to politicians about why they should and shouldnt do x x and x then honestly thats good too

most politicians dont know fuck all about how most of those companies operate